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Jeez, I can feel my IQ going down every time I read one of jOe's nonsensical posts.

Not dead sure nature vs nurture has been proven either way. What I do know is my ex and I have given my son every advantage possible in terms of early development. Despite a divorce he has parents who both pay attention and agree on the best course of action 19 times out of 20. Who have always been tremendously involved in his life. And who both demonstrate and expect high standards of behavior. And at age 10, attending what is arguably the best private prep school in Canada, he is excelling in academics, in social skills and involvement, in arts and he is nothing if not enthusiastic about athletics. (You can tell I'm a proud papa!).

But if I had to have make a choice, I think he'd be a long way there even if both of his parents had behaved very differently. He has been this way since the get-go.

Now, I know this is not statistically proving anything. But he arrived smart. Maybe, under different circumstances, he might have used those smarts for different and unsavory purposes....he still might. But if the discussion is about IQ, while I think both contribute, I think nature plays the greater role.

Life outcomes however, usually have little to do with innate intelligence as measured by IQ. Life outcomes statistically are what's affected by nurture. By role models, caring and loving parents who demand excellence and demonstrate daily, by their own behavior, how to be a good, productive person.

So jOe blathering on about substandard genetics as being the cause is kind of pointless. Except as it makes clear to us his own biases. If Americans want to solve the racial divide in America today (a staggeringly difficult proposition) it will come about by changing the life circumstances of millions of people of both white and black ancestry.

Take a look at the viral video of the two mothers fighting in Walmart, with one screaming at her 6 year old boy to join the fray. I don't care what his genetics are....that kid hasn't a chance.

And jOe, they are both genetically closer to you than any black man in America.

Excellent.

This clearly applies when engaging a Religious Statist on philosophical grounds. Due to their indoctrination of sociopathic belief, objective intellectualism is suspended, comprehension is eliminated, and analytical skills are non-existant. Typical religious denial of facts and reality.

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"If Americans want to solve the racial divide in America today (a staggeringly difficult proposition) it will come about by changing the life circumstances of millions of people of both white and black ancestry."

With all due respect James; Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs were supposed to accomplish just that. 50 years later and untold TRILLIONS of dollars and nothing of any real value has beeen accomplished. In fact; many of us maintain that Blacks were better off BEFORE the socialistic "Great Society" programs.
This travisty turned "welfare" which was intended to be short term assistance in nature into a lifestyle for millions.
Jim

Throwing money to people won't solve anything.

I'm not biased about anything. The answer I gave makes more sense than thinking that reading and nurturing or having a father figure in the house will solve anything with people that are genetically screwed up.

I suspect in my job I worked with and was around blacks as much or more than anyone on this website. Some of the best friends I've had in life were black.

But that didn't change the fact that I never knew a black person that wasn't a racist....they all want to play like they're not racist but when called out on anything they all revert claiming race had something to do with me crawling their azz when they couldn't or wouldn't do their job.

I walked up on three blacks at work having the racist talk...I asked them to give me an example of how someone had treated them in a racist kind of way. The examples they offered were comical to say the least.

In leaving I told them "You all 3 should get down on your hands and knees and worship the white man if not for us you'd still be living in grass huts and eating grub worms".

So I ask you liberals (Canadian liberals included)....who owes who ?

Jim, I didn't mean to imply the current and past attempts to resolve the issue were well founded, useful or worth continuing in any way. I am simply pointing out there is a gigantic problem and a significant number of both blacks and whites will need to change their own personal culture before any meaningful improvement will be noticed. The specifics of how are beyond me except in the form of general truisms.

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I don't know how to make this show up.

I'm mystified as to who you are speaking to, as there are no liberals posting in this thread as of yet.

There is only one here who makes overtly racist and anti-semitic remarks I know of for sure, but no liberals (Canadians included).

jOe, there is no doubt that your failure to condemn Planned Parenthood and Margaret Sanger makes you a liberal

Your slipping left. Better watch yourself.

Next thing we know you will be on here advocating a 90% income tax rate on the 1%, arguing for reparations for Blacks and American Indians, demanding a $4/gallon tax on gasoline to stop global warming and arguing that gay marriage is a Constitutional right.

I've heard once you start sliding left you go quick. Better get busy on a Planned Parenthood rant or you will probably stay on the dark side.

Thanks Mike.