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http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/intelligence.aspx

Now look what has happened. LBJ instituted the Great Society programs to "quiet down" Blacks and to buy their votes.

When you combine the creation of a sub-culture like that, and then add in the indoctrinated, sociopathic, Soviet-inspired subjective morality of subversion now followed by the Democrat Party, it's no wonder you have Baltimore and Occupy Wall Street.

Steve I read the article. It doesn't say that the IQ test is culturally biased. It says the score is affected by the culture that someone grew up in. I didn't say Blacks, on average, scored lower on the IQ test because they were genetically inferior. I said that the average White is more intelligent and more educated than the average Black.

And of course, Asian-Americans, on average, outscore Black and Whites on IQ tests. If the test is culturally biased it would seem to put them at the same disadvantage as Blacks.

What about the fact that Blacks average score on the SAT is lower than Whites?

Do you have any response to the Black/White score comparisons I linked to -graduation rates, college levels attained etc...

Again, I am surprised that no one wants to take up the defense of Planned Parenthood, actually on the topic of the thread.

Years ago when talk of the cultural bias in standardized I.Q. and aptitude tests were first discussed, one author claimed that it would be more fair if the SAT or ACT had questions like, "When is Mother's Day?... (answer) The first of the month when the Welfare check comes in the mail... and "What is a deuce-and-a-quarter"... (answer) That's a Buick Electra 225.

Yes, that's the kind of general knowledge that is important to succeed or prosper in a Global Economy!

Mike, our Liberal Libtards ARE defending Planned Parenthood just like they defend Obama's anti-gun record. They are pretending to not see it and they are trying to change the subject by attacking Jim. Disgusting f-ing pukes! You can try to debate Caitlyn SKB, but you won't get anywhere. I'm surprised he hasn't tried telling us he dated Jackie Kennedy or engaged in naked wrestling with Martin Luther King to bolster his credibility.

Mike,
" It says the score is affected by the culture that someone grew up in" You are just re-arraigning the words to get a meaning you want. Black kids grow up in a different culture than white kids and the score is affected by that difference.

Have not had a chance to read through your link. I'll try after lunch.

Standardized tests are joke anyway you look at them. Did you ever take a class on how to test? I have always done very well on standardized tests. Once I took a class on how to take a test it really opened my eyes to what games are played in education. I certainly do not think I'm more intelligent after taking that class. I can tell you I will score better than the vast, vast majority taking those tests. Its nothing but a shell game. The class was on how to use the test itself to improve your SAT scores.

Ok Mike I read through pg 24 and 25. Sounds to me like Texas is doing something correct in regards to education. Notice the rapid improvements in Texas and NY scores over the last decade in all categories. I still do not see this as evidence of higher intelligence. Better scores, better education, better prepared for the world certainly but not more intelligent than white students. I still do not think you are a racist though.....

Suppose there are two identical twins, Black, put up for adoption at birth.

One child is adopted by a Black couple who name him John. The father teaches physics at the local university. The mother teaches English at the local high school. From the beginning the child is read to, taken to museums, church, and family get togethers. John's parents go over his homework and tests each evening after school.

The other child is taken back by the birth mother. Call him Bill. Bill is put in front of the television when he can first sit up. Nobody reads to Bill. Nobody pays much attention to him. Nobody pays any attention to Bill's school work. Nobody pays any attention to his school attendance.

Suppose when they are 18 we give them an IQ test. I predict John will score higher on the IQ test. The culture you are raised in matters in how intelligent you are. But it doesn't mean that the IQ test is culturally biased.

The article you linked to doesn't say the IQ test is culturally biased. It does say the culture you were raised in affects your score. Bill was raised in a culture that didn't value academic achievement. His score was lower than John's. Perhaps Bill was better at rolling a joint or playing basketball or dancing. But that kind of intelligence doesn't help his earnings or his score on the IQ test. But that doesn't reflect cultural bias on the IQ test. Nor does it mean that the fact that the average White outearns the average Black is a consequence of racism.

Again, no liberal debaters stepping up to defend Planned Parenthood or Hillary's endorsement of it and Margaret Sanger? Which would actually be on topic.

In your scenario I still say Bill is not less intelligent than John, just less prepared and educated. Very different things.

How about a Conservative who wants to defend Denny Hastert? Just giving you a bit of grief Mike but I'm sure that will be twisted too. Where is Craig when I need him?

So you concede that John will score higher on the IQ test. Yet they are identical twins. So the test is not culturally biased. Both were raised in Black culture. One was raised in academic household.

But of course John is smarter. His mind is nimble from all the stimulation and reading. He will learn at a faster rate than Bill - all his life. That is what intelligence is really about. How fast you learn. Not what you know. At eighteen John knows much more than Bill. He knows how to read well. And he has read a lot. He can do algebra. He knows history. He can find Africa and Milwaukee on map. He had a higher rate of learning. Bill, sitting in front of the TV, might be able to name all characters in Suge Knight's latest trial or the lyrics to thirty five rap songs or how to roll a joint. But John knows many more facts and understands the world much better. He learned faster in his eighteen years than Bill did. He learned how to learn. He learns because he likes learning. Bill, not so much. John is more intelligent than Bill by any measure.

And even if the things Bill learned were equal in quantity to the things that John learned (they are not) they would not get him in college or sustain him through college.

On average, people that graduated from high school earn more than people that didn't. Same for college. And a high score on an IQ test is a good predictor of whether some one is intelligent enough to get a degree in physics. And getting a degree in physics or math or engineering is a leg up on earning more than someone without those degrees.

So, the average White earns more than the average Black because the average White is more intelligent than the average Black and because they are more educated than the average Black. Not because of "White privilege" or culturally biased IQ tests.

I do concede John will score higher but not that he is more intelligent. Bill is not unable to learn but he has not been raised in a fashion that values learning. This is something that can be changed. Bill could be exposed to whole new group of people who value education and he could embrace it himself. Unlike Tyron in George's very funny joke. While both Bill and John have been raised by black families, clearly Johns family places a much higher value on education. John was raised in a different culture than Bill even though both were raised by Black families. I'm not sure which is more intelligent but I can tell which one was raised properly.