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Originally Posted By: gunut
the best way to minimalize unions is to pay workers livable wages and treat them fairly in disputes....then they don't need union protection/bargaining....but most corporations want nothing to do with that...heaven forbid your workers are content with the place they work......my sister in law works 4 Northwestern Mutual Ins....they have a union that you can join if you want.... some do, some don't ...and most of the employees like their jobs...and make a career of it...



Hmmm.

I'd say that this is the reason for the overall decline in Union membership over the last several decades. The exception has been with government unions, which are not constrained by their companies actually having to stay in business, and is responsible for government union members being overcompensated to double what their free and equal counterparts make in the Real Word. Democrat politicians are not constrained by fiduciary responsibility when they use other people's money to buy votes.


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Id say the reason for the decline is that every good paying job the "Patriotic American Corporations" could ship to communist China are there....with the help of our Patriotic Politicians ....from BOTH sides of the isle....


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Nothing like the good'ol anti-business, evil-corporation union fantasy.

Thank the statists in the Democrat party for it. Nothing like a righteous denial of reality to set yourself up as a victim entitled to people's stuff...Hey, as long as you get some form of Welfare, what do you care?


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not entitled to any free handouts; but American Corporations and Politicians should be looking out for the welfare of American workers..... we should have full employment in OUR COUNTRY B4 we allow Corporations based in this country to freely import goods from places like communist China....Seems almost like a subversive plan on the part of politicians and corporations to get rid of the American middle class..and deal with anybody in order to do it.....but no that couldn't be possible, not in this country...trouble is its working....


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The best way to look out for the American Worker is to provide economic opportunity through a vibrant and expanding economy. This current stagnation/recession is what the Left has always desired to achieve.

You don't seem to, or even want to, understand that this blueprint for economic destruction being followed by the Democrats was laid out decades ago. It is right out of the Soviet Union. Virtually all Democrat policies and positions support this goal.

Nothing that is happening is new, it's all been part of the plan. It's exactly what the statists desire, to destroy the American middle class in order to facilitate Totalitarianism.

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and Corporations refusing to provide decent health insurance to its workers didn't play right into the wheelhouse of the schemes of Obama Care democrats.....then that's not enough, corporate big shots decide to send American jobs overseas and pay off politicians to remove any import tariffs and taxes to make it easier ......and then lets try to rid the working class of company pensions in favor of 401s ...that goes over big after the last couple stock market crashes.......and then lets give our CEOs big bonuses for pulling this kind of sh it.....exactly how did you expect these displaced workers to react.....


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Jagermeister, why don't you tell us who you think is your ideal candidate who won't get nominated. Is it the anti-gunner Michael Bloomberg who your pal Ed Good like so much.

Why don't you have to wake up early for work to get to the polls in 2016? Are you on Welfare and Food Stamps now? There must be some reason you voted for Obama two times, and are proud of it.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
"The ultimate, and supreme "Binding Promise" is the United States Constitution."

The only problem with that single, clear, declarative sentence, Ken, is that there are two competing and ultimately unsatisfying interpretative schools, the biggest dilemma of contemporary constitutional jurisprudence: the conservative originalist tradition of "original public meaning" and the liberal or progressive tradition with its advocacy of a "living constitution" of evolving meaning.

The dilemma is a long way from being settled.


King Brown thinks the U.S. Constitution is as flexible and easily changed as his largely fictional resume. Of course Liberals and Progressive advocate a so-called "living constitution" with an "evolving meaning". That's just double-speak for radical Leftist infringements which would never survive the Amendment process that the Framers designed so that the Constitution would not be subject to wild-eyed and immature whims.

What King Brown finds so unsatisfying about the "Conservative Originalist" view is that it keeps mentally ill people like him from rewriting the document to suit his Liberal Left agenda. When Ken61 refers to King's Leftist drivel as "Sociopathic", it's important to remember the meaning of the word... a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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The more I read the pseudo patriots I'm reminded of Orwell's warning of "Fascism being imposed under the pretence of resisting Fascism." They use endless replication and recycling of ignorance and mendacity to reinforce their beliefs, to the point of an Arizona ayatollah making murderous fatwa and his sidekick condemning members as unworthy for not sharing their opinions. Apostasy arbiters look a lot like IS to me.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
The more I read the pseudo patriots I'm reminded of....
....They use endless replication and recycling of ignorance and mendacity to reinforce their beliefs....

Speaking of competing and unsatisfying interpretive schools. Who's told us, besides yourself, that the economy is coming back stronger than ever and the world is a safer place now that the US has implemented mantra based foreign policy.

Is there any, all inclusive and tolerant, way to rationally discuss the GDP numbers that have come out today or the middle east nuclear arms race that has been created where none was before. How about china getting the green light to sprout gitmo's in far eastern no longer international waters, or the warm relations with our good friends in russia.

Could we have more tales of all the improved happiness and productivity of citizens on the left due to money saving ocare, if I promise to help reject any psuedo patriots that recycle ignorance. But hey, I do like the way things have settled down in baltimore on the racial and class warfare fronts.

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