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Mike!
Good afternoon.
Was wondering how long it would be before you posted. I think of you shorting out everytime I see a LP thread. I'm going to try your 1/8oz over the Polywad insert next week when the rain lets up. I hear it works well.

Your not still loosening up those fine Fox guns with Wallyworld ammo are ya? You need to be feeding those girls a steady diet of nice LP spreaders.

I don't blame you a bit. Especially in the absence of analysis data for the smaller gauge barrels. In their case, I wouldn't consider it "over cautious". Since we have the data for the 12ga barrels, I feel fairly confident, but with a different gauge, perhaps not so much. Extrapolation would result in a testable hypothesis, but it's better to always wait until the data is actually in...No need to take chances with either the gun or your fingers and eyesight if small gauge RST and the like loads are available.

Rather interesting. If one goes to RST's website they now list other low pressure ammo that is designed specifically for A-5 shotguns. My guesstimate is their normal light loads would not cycle the A-5 and hence they had to kick it up a notch in pressure so it would be reliable. I've heard similar things regarding some of the other Ultra-Lite ammo that had velocity of less then 1,100 FPS, coupled with a light payload.

Anyone want to see pics of an Ithaca Flues 20 sleeved at the 10" mark? I keep it as a reminder of what scammers gun peddlers are. And what can happen to old shotguns when fired.

Next time I'm setting back and rejointing my dedicated sporting clays gun, I'll think about whether my lack of concern for what I fed it sent me to the doctor or not. YMMV of course.

Tut, I have shot some RST loads that seemed more like noise makers than shotshells, yet they killed preserve quail just fine. I'd be leery in cold weather with them though.

CZ,
Are you sure that Flues wasn't an auto/burglar turned PC?
I'd love to see a pic if its not much trouble.

Ken,
I sent a 20ga load to Tom A. for testing. If all goes well I think it will be in the 6.4/6.5k psi range. I'll PM the results if your interested.

Thanks,

That'd be great. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I get one.

Yes and no. I've never babied the big 12; it has now fired 67,800 rounds. That includes 3,000 Win Xtralites (1 oz @ 1185) and 2,000 Rem Nitro 27's (1 oz @ 1290). I've never pressure tested either load. The bulk of the remainder was my 1 oz @ 1225 handload. It was showing signs of moderate wear...lever at 6:30, slight hammering on the watertable, dulling of the ringing "snick" I like to hear on closing. Still able to grab a .0015 feeler gauge and not let go, but I had the barrels re-fit anyway.

My 1932 Fox 16ga has digested 44,200 rounds in 13 years, including over 18,000 factories. About 14,000 factories were Remington RGL�s ( 1 ounce at 1200 fps nominal; 1230-1240 in my tests). Still have about 7,000 rounds of these and 20,000 handloads to go before I pass it on to someone else.



Toplever approaching center now, no other issues.

The A-5 uses what is known as a "Long Recoil" mechanism. Pressure does not operate the A-5, recoil does. A 1oz payload @ 1200 fps would not work it as slick at 10K psi as would a 1�oz load at 1250 fps even if it had only 8K psi.
Loads having specs for either can be found in the loading manuals.

Mike, That load of shells and hulls reminds me of my reloading room when I was active in Skeet Shooting. Those hulls/shells can really add up when your pounding on clay targets.