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#395725 02/25/15 09:33 AM
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Losing the Internet

PJ Media, by Richard Fernandez

The administrations plan to create a free and open Internet means, as usual, the opposite of what it says. As Gordon Crovitz explains in the Wall Street Journal, it is really a monumental, bare-faced power grab.
The Internet, which allows anyone to introduce a website, app or device without government review, ends this week. On Thursday the three Democrats among the five commissioners on the Federal Communications Commission will vote to regulate the Internet under rules written for monopoly utilities.
No one, including the bullied FCC chairman, Tom Wheeler, thought the agency would go this far. The big politicization came when President Obama in November demanded that the supposedly independent FCC apply the agencys most extreme regulation to the Internet. A recent page-one Wall Street Journal story headlined Net Neutrality: How White House Thwarted FCC Chief documented an unusual, secretive effort inside the White House . . . acting as a parallel version of the FCC itself.

The more than 300 pages of new regulations are secret, but Mr. Wheeler says they will subject the Internet to the key provisions of Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, under which the FCC oversaw Ma Bell.

The specifics of the grab dont matter as much as the direction in which things must inevitably move. Regulation is an absorbing state like the Hotel California. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. Three hundred pages of regulation will become 301 302 A new administration might slow down the rate of growth, but it can never reverse it. (It can, but the only one ever to do so was the Reagan administration when it ended the anything but Fairness Doctrine.)

The very success of the Internet doomed its independence. And if theres anything this administration and to a lesser extent any administration hankers after it is power. So a-raiding they will go. Here is prince Barack, at the tech city gates, demanding the key. Not that he will know what to do with it.

There is the notion, often reticently expressed but frequently glimpsed in news stories, that the key to the future World Order is information. Information is the key to power.

The information sharing the president proposes will naturally enough be put under Homeland Security rather than the NSA.

The actual effect of government control is to institutionalize incompetence. The more Obama controls, the more he destroys.

The administrations proposal has been called Obamacare for the Internet. What Obamas Internet grab will do is activate the Law of Unintended consequences. The princes may be attracted to the glittering city in the sands but they dont know a thing about running it. Once they lose information and cover it up in the habitual way the loss can have deadly consequences.

Will the administration give you a freer and more open Internet than you have now? We are doomed by this move. The difference is we know it. The administration has not yet figured out that in incompetent hands even the finest weapon can be turned around to face its hapless wielder.

Boy, will they be surprised.

(Wake me up when it becomes a hate crime to do or say anything that a gay or African-American or Hispanic-American or Muslim can tweak into something he finds offensive.)
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You'd better believe that this will affect the content of this Board. That's the whole point of it, the regulations will monitor content, probably to the extent that Dave will have to eliminate Misfire's altogether. It's also possible that the entire site will be eliminated, as they'll no doubt try to use it to eliminate pro-gun sites as well. The regs will make it too expensive to operate the site. The goal, as always, will be the unconstitutionally totalitarian elimination of political opposition.

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Originally Posted By: James M
....Internet grab will do is activate the Law of Unintended consequences....


Back in the first few months of the then new admin, they announced that the #1 threat to the US was cyber security, and they dumped hundreds of billions into solving the 'problem'. It looked plain as day, probably intended, build the tools to tax this thing.

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I have a hard time believing that any forum such as this can be regulated by the Govt, especially as a mechanism to control free speech. Regulated where commerce and intellectual property rights are concerned? That I could see. This internet forum is really no different than having a conversation with someone you meet on the street. Even the intellectually dishonest liberal wing of the court will side with my rights to have a simple conversation, even if it is in writing.

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Ken, when I earlier brought up your point in context of The Patriot Act no one in Misfires cared that the US government was rooting through their library cards, visa accounts, phone calls, medical records etc and that it was a criminal offence to say they were under investigation.

When Snowden blew the whistle that government was listening and collecting literally everything on Internet and elsewhere, Misfires consensus was he's a traitor, to be hanged and quartered, even a notion it would be different under another political party. Ideology to the point of calumny.

What we have here are puffed-up patriots singing anthems, hands over their hearts, solemnly praising Bills of Right and Freedoms and Constitutions, honouring the sacrifices of our soldiers, sailors and airmen for protecting our rights and freedoms, the First and Second---all corrupted by statist KoolAid!

Jim says it's Communism.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....When Snowden blew the whistle that government was listening and collecting literally everything on Internet and elsewhere, Misfires consensus was he's a traitor, to be hanged and quartered, even a notion it would be different under another political party. Ideology to the point of calumny....


Hmmm, that's not the way I remember it.

The snowman took tactics, procedure and capabilities to the soviets, I mean russians. I can't recall anyone here belly aching about having their favorite blog hacked. But, I appreciate your perspective on the humanity of the divide.

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Please elaborate, Craig. Disclosing dimensions of illegal government incursions on constitutional rights and privacy should be lauded not condemned; responsible citizenship and responsible journalism demands it.

I've forgotten how Snowden fetched up in Moscow but I think it may have been the first country to take him in. His files had already been cached with responsible persons and newspapers. Doesn't seem he ran with secrets to the Kremlin.

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The Communist Takeover Of
America - 45 Declared Goals
From Greg Swank
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You are about to read a list of 45 goals that found their way down the halls of our great Capitol back in 1963. As you read this, 39 years later, you should be shocked by the events that have played themselves out. I first ran across this list 3 years ago but was unable to attain a copy and it has bothered me ever since. Recently, Jeff Rense posted it on his site and I would like to thank him for doing so. http://www.rense.com Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 . Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen] 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. 3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength. 4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites. 6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. 7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N. 8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N. 9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress. 10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N. 11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.) 12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 13. Do away with all loyalty oaths. 14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office. 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. 22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms." 23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art." 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state." 29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." 31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. 36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]. 39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems. 43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44. Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike. Note by Webmaster: The Congressional Record back this far has not be digitized and posted on the Internet. It will probably be available at your nearest library that is a federal repository. Call them and ask them. Your college library is probably a repository. This is an excellent source of government records. Another source are your Congress Critters. They should be more than happy to help you in this matter. You will find the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto interesting at this point. Webmaster Forest Glen Durland found the document in the library.

I posted ths so everyone can see just how far we've fallen. I high lighted some of the points which I consider the most telling. We you look at the libtard bimbos on the Supreme Court who sneer at our Constitution I still worry that Obama will get another appointment in the next year and a half. It is my hope we can survive as a free Country until we can begin to rebuild in 2016.
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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Please elaborate, Craig. Disclosing dimensions of illegal government incursions on constitutional rights and privacy should be lauded not condemned; responsible citizenship and responsible journalism demands it....

....Doesn't seem he ran with secrets to the Kremlin.


He, he, you make a funny. 'Responsible journalism', is that like an unemployed 'reporter' that dots his I's and crosses his T's at the feed trough looking for benies?

Anywho, the info is incidental, at least in the eyes of your 'responsible' colleagues, and the illegality of it seems to be a unique attribute that only you're aware of. I wonder how many of his former coworkers are identified to and under surveillance by who knows who? For example. C'mon King, the info gets stale quickly, the security upheaval has to raise way more questions, but all the reporters were temporarily unemployed for that job.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
Ken, when I earlier brought up your point in context of The Patriot Act no one in Misfires cared that the US government was rooting through their library cards, visa accounts, phone calls, medical records etc and that it was a criminal offence to say they were under investigation.

When Snowden blew the whistle that government was listening and collecting literally everything on Internet and elsewhere, Misfires consensus was he's a traitor, to be hanged and quartered, even a notion it would be different under another political party. Ideology to the point of calumny.

What we have here are puffed-up patriots singing anthems, hands over their hearts, solemnly praising Bills of Right and Freedoms and Constitutions, honouring the sacrifices of our soldiers, sailors and airmen for protecting our rights and freedoms, the First and Second---all corrupted by statist KoolAid!

Jim says it's Communism.



Comrade Sralin,

I'm not sure if it's sociopathic psychological projection, or the clear loss of short-term memory. I, for one have never supported the totalitarian aspects of the Patriotic Act. Nor have I commented on Snowden. If I'm in error, please cite my posts.

One of the major reservations I've had, and still do, is the fact that once a sociopathic, religious statist gains power, he would use the act against his political enemies. A fact that is now blatantly obvious, as virtually the entire government has been "weaponized", and is used against those who dare to consider themselves "Free and Equal" to the sociopathic, religious statists currently in power.

As is typical, a religious reaction, denying objective reality.


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