doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com Are these liberals you guys talking about?

I prefer the term recovering Republican. One day at a time...

The word LIBERAL was a word applied to those thinkers who believed in indivdual rights. The left wing slowly changed the meaning of the word so that it refered to their agendas. TR was a liberal as was the Republican Party in his day. The word really has no meaning these days, and much of what one reads in the "Liberal Press" is equally devoid of clear thinking. Its time to take your Prozac boys so you can be one of the crowd. Remember the old 50's joke? "Fred, have you taken your Milltown today?" "Harry , I don't know and I don't care!" What can it all or does it all mean? David

I hit the post button twice because site is sooo slow today I thought it had not responded.. Its been taking too much prozac. David

"What is wrong with "Everything is legal until you get caught abusing them. At this point, nothing is legal and you go to jail if you get caught with them."? A very simple one line gun control agenda."

Eightbore, in a personal message to a distinguished member last week, I said it's hard to understand what's going on in Canada without living here. Your notion is the situation I described from my experience here.

I've been hunting with handguns, rifles and shotguns for 65 years---and never met a warden, Mountie or conservation officer. Live and let live; abuse the public interest and you get what you deserve.

What King does not seem to realize is that what people (ie Dimocraps and Liberal Canuks)) CALL themselves is not necessarily what they are. Today's Dimocraptic leaders in Congress are ALL Socialists as are our liberal Canadian friends. In my day, the term "liberal" had some positive meanings. The Dims kept the term, but by their actions, changed the meaning. Today, the Leebs are simply Anti-Capitalistic Socialists. Want some fun? Read the Socialist and Communist agenda of the 1950's. To make it easier for our lazy Leeb friends, I'll look it up for them and post it.

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963



Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Today, Socialism is simply politically correct Communism. Today, the leaders of the Dimocraptic Party are all Socialists. Socialists are the enemy of Capitalistic America. Your dad's Democratic Party no longer exists.

I think this quote is appropriate to this duscussion. -- Ed

“The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves in all cases to which they think themselves competent (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved), or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; (emphasis added - Ed) that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press.” -- Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824

From King's post, I get the idea that he agrees with me that all guns should be legal for use and ownership until one abuses the right and then the right may be suspended. He further seems to imply that such a situation exists in Canada because he has not been hassled by a warden in 65 years of hunting. I don't think that is the way it is in Canada, or in this country, for that matter, no matter how many years any of us has exercised the "right" without being hassled. Tomorrow, we may be challenged and spend years in prison for not being within the letter of the law.

Eightbore, I speak for myself. Yes, I think all guns should be legal for use and ownership until one abuses the right. Two, my friends don't buy pistols, shotguns and rifles to look at them; they're used, on the range and in the woods. The fraternity abides by and generally agrees with the no-concealed-carry law. I sold my fully-automatic Sten a couple months ago.

To recap, it is illegal to hunt with pistols but they are used with discretion. Show off where there may be people around and you're naturally in trouble. If you don't, there isn't. Until recently we could use fully-automatic Stens, Schmeissers etc under prescribed conditions but I often used it to acquaint South American missionaries with their use and our Mounties with their accuracy.

I left a pistol near a lake with my fishing kitbag. It was returned by the Mounties with a baleful glare. A buddy had more than 150 firearms---all unregistered, including Stens, Schmeissers, Lugers, Mauser pistols---discovered by a fire marshal who called in the Mounties. They were confiscated without charges and wound up in Joe Salter's business in the United States.

To my mind, the latter case was asking for it. I agree with you, eightbore, that the current political climate inflating national security fears is changing the situation rapidly. Incarceration, however, is not of the same psyche as in the United States---at least not yet. As far as wardens go, I've never seen one in the woods or on a lake or stream or marsh or blind let alone being hassled by one.

Nova Scotia is the oldest settled part of Canada. I believe the way politicians are preying on our fears about terrorism is a crock. There are dangers but nothing like those we've endured the past 50 years from international Communism and the rapidly escalating stakes of the Cold War. Current fearmongers might as well be on the antis and al-Qaeda payroll.