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EVEN THE DENSEST LIBTARD SHOUD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS!

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
comes to $100.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like
this�

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
The fifth would pay $1
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7
The eighth would pay $12
The ninth would pay $18
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59

So, that�s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the
arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. �Since you
are all such good customers,� he said, �I�m going to reduce the cost of your
daily beer by $20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the
first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what
about the other six men ? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that
everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that
from everybody�s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end
up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man�s bill
by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the
tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he
suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to
drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their
savings.

�I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving,� declared the sixth man. He
pointed to the tenth man,�but he got $10!�

�Yeah, that�s right,� exclaimed the fifth man. �I only saved a dollar too.
It�s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!�
�That�s true!� shouted the seventh man. �Why should he get $10 back, when I
got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!�

�Wait a minute,� yelled the first four men in unison, �we didn�t get
anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!�

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn�t show up for drinks so the nine sat down
and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they
discovered something important. They didn�t have enough money between all of
them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our
tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will
naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much,
attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In
fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat
friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. � Professor of Economics.

That's very good Jim, and so true.

Let's try another drinking game. Suppose we had a hypothetical Vintner. We'll call him King. Now King is a proud man who frequently brags about his Award Winning Marechal Foch wines... even though he doesn't actually make this wine.

No, actually he just grows and tends about an acre of grape vines and sells his grapes to a hypothetical winery called Jost Coastal Vinyard Wines. Here's a hypothetical link:

http://jostgrows.ca/index.php?id=13

Now King works hard, planting and pruning and so forth, to produce good quality grapes. Because of the amount of pure bullshit King produces, his soil is the most fertile in the land. As such, he gets top dollar for his grapes and uses the profits to buy some of the finer things in life such as pure 100% Scottish Wool kilts and hand-made bagpipes. And he is a proud man who brags about the many awards won by the wines made from his grapes.

But then some no good Libtard notices this and says all this self-aggrandizement and profiteering is an euphemism for selfishness, and this is unfair to some other lesser growers whose ancestors were Nova Scotian slaves 200 years ago. So this Libtard Socialist prevails and succeeds in electing like minded Socialists who decide to level the playing field. They say each is responsible for everyone else. They pass laws and make executive actions to heavily tax King's profits such that he can no longer afford expensive imported kilts and bagpipes. He can no longer afford trips to Hyannis Port to hang out with the Kennedy clan. And since it is unfair that one man's grapes should make award winning wines, thus making other lesser growers feel inferior, it is decided that everyone's grapes shall henceforth be blended into one homogenous liquid. The fermentation of this juice results in a mediocre and decidedly nondescript wine sold mainly in drive-thru beer and wine depots, and drank straight out of the screw top bottle. There are no more awards for King. He works just as hard, but makes far less money and has less personal satisfaction. But the other lazy growers, and even people who drink, gamble, and use drugs are all happy because they now get a nice chunk of King's money for doing little or nothing.

So, they re-elect the Socialist Liberal lawmaker who rewarded them with the fruits of King's labor. They all hope the Socialists will tax King's CBC pension, and withhold medical treatment from him and give it to someone who deserves it more because they are poorer, younger, or can't afford it because they are in Canada illegally.

The winery that actually turns King's grapes into wine soon becomes less profitable because they cannot compete with Mogen David or Ernest and Julio Gallo. They are forced to lay off most of their workforce, and the Liberal Socialists increase King's taxes even more to pay for job retraining for the displaced workers, and to give them 99 weeks of unemployment. Taking ever larger amounts of taxes from King and other workers is never enough, so the Estate tax, fuel tax, and a million other hidden taxes are also increased, and the Canadian Government goes trillions in debt and can no longer afford to be the world's leader in permafrost exploration and lichen research. Soon, Siberia and Mongolia overtake them in these critical areas and the nation, which now has it's first black prime minister, becomes a laggard in stature and respect.

If only this wasn't a hypothetical story about a hypothetical Libtard.

I know King is ignoring you keith, or so he says but he really SHOULD read this post of yours. It greatly simplifies things for him.

Oh but he's not ignoring me J.R.B....he's just pretending to ignore me ever since he made the dishonest claim that I put words on his mouth after I had quoted him verbatim.

Later, that lie evolved into another lie when he claimed that I "dishonoured" his father. Personally, from what I've read of his WWII hero EX-POW father, he must have been quite a guy, and nothing like his bloviating boy. And I'm still not buying the cock-and-bull story about his Dad converting to Catholicism without belief in the Resurrection in the last year of his life. It would be absolutely pointless and makes zero sense. What motivation could there possibly be... an active versus a social membership to drink at the local Knights of Columbus???

JRB, my father didn't think of himself as a hero, nor his community or me. Canada doesn't make heroes as they do in other places. He saw his duty and did it. He was an Anglican who never attended church after his boyhood. He admired the Catholic Church, warts and all, and joined it the last year of life. None of his mentors for his baptism believed in the Resurrection either. I am obliged to correct any imputations of my father's motives for becoming a Catholic, and particularly one that dishonours him with a wisecrack.

Yeah, yeah, your Dad was a great man, just like my Dad but I'm talking about the tax system. Keith showed you in simple terms how the socialist/liberal tax system works by using your grapes/wine as a comparison. Your once beautiful grapes are now turned to slop. The fruits of your labor have been taken away and given to those who didn't earn or deserve it. Don't tell me that you would be happy being debased to the level of a skid row bum drinking Mad Dog 20-20. That is what happens with your socialist programs. They take from the haves and give to the have nots that don't deserve it. It's called communism and communism suppresses production and innovative ideas. Personally I don't give a tinkers damn about the lazy have nots. They can either support themselves or starve. If they choose the latter that's fine with me, it will decrease the surplus population and leave more air to breathe for productive members of society.

See J.R.B.,I told you that the Burger King only pretends to ignore me... much like a pissed off woman might react. We all know I never once dishonored his father. I much admire his contribution in the war as I do all who served. They are all Heroes to me... some more than others. King says Canada doesn't make heroes of those who do their duty to country, but we also know that' s another crock of shit. Remember the accolades for the Mountie who took out the Muslim gunman in Parliament recently. Viola! Instant National hero.

But when you've got nothing, all that's left is demonization and grasping at straws. Being a Catholic myself, I happen to know a thing or two about the process of adult conversion. King's version of the event strains credulity. I have no doubt there have been clerics who did not believe and only used the Priesthood as a convenient cover for pedophilia or homosexuality. But they would never admit to it. Adult converts are asked the same questions that a Godparent answers on behalf of an infant at baptism, and belief in the Ressurection is one of them. Is King really trying to say that his father lied to join the Church, or is he telling us that he said he did not believe in the Resurrection and a Priest violated the tenets of the Church and baptised him anyway? Or is King just telling us another big fat lie because he is an Atheist who could not accept his fathers decision to become a Catholic?

I highly suspect the latter, on the evidence, as King would say. I do not believe Kings father lied in order to become a Catholic, and never even entertained the thought. I also do not believe that multiple Priests or mentors would be either members or clerics and openly profess unbelief in the most basic tenet. But I do believe and know for certain that King lies to us on a regular basis.

I have my opinion of who dishonored his father, and it sure as hell wasn't me.

Don't expect King to ever admit that he wouldn't be happy with my hypothetical scenario that would redistribute his labors or profits from his little vineyard, and take away his awards and bragging rights. The number one rule of Libtardism is to do as I say... not as I do.

JRB, you've provided insight into why Americans are so cranky and Canadians much happier with their lives. Redistribution puts fire in your eyes. I don't feel abused by our tax system in the least. It pays for much higher health and educational standards than the US and much more pleasurable lives according to the UN happiness index. Dollar for dollar, Canadians are getting far more from their taxes than Americans.

Redistribution is national policy. Richer provinces contribute to weaker economies under an equalization formula so that we don't have pockets of misery. In Nova Scotia, the sales tax for heating and electricity was eliminated, and those with low incomes get tax rebates. Sharing the wealth is common to advanced societies. We don't go to China to pay our bills.

From Wikipedia:

"In Canada tax and non-tax revenue for every level of government equals about 38.4% of GDP,[1] compared to the U.S. rate of 28.2%.
A significant portion of this tax differential is due to spending differences between the two countries. While the US is running deficits of about 4% of GDP, Canada's Federal government posted a budget surplus of around 1% of GDP per year from the mid-1990s until 2008, and is projected to enter back into a surplus by 2016. The deficit patterns and indebtedness of Canada's individual provinces vary like they do in the US among different states. Considered in a revenue-neutral context, the differential is much smaller - Canada's total governmental spending was about 36% of GDP[ vs. 31% in the US. In addition, caution must be used when comparing taxes across countries, due to the different services each offers. Whereas the Canadian healthcare system is 70% government-funded, the US system is just under 50% government-funded (mostly via Medicare and Medicaid); adding the additional healthcare-spending burden to the above figures to obtain comparable numbers (+3% for Canada, +7% for the US) gives adjusted expenditures of 38�39% of GDP for each of the two nations.
The taxes are applied the same as well. Canada's income tax system is more heavily biased against the highest income earners, thus while Canada's income tax rate is higher on average,[citation needed] the bottom fifty percent of the population is roughly taxed the same on income as in the United States."

PS---I'm not rubbing it in. You asked.

Is this from your new happiness blog? Just kidding. I suppose there's a 'fact' we might research here for courtesy, but are we to understand the mission statement of the un is? Never mind. I would hope the un had polled US Christians when they were applying external pressure by implying that the US would 'feel' much better if they dug deeper. It's a consistent fact that Christians in the US live healthier, happier, longer, more generous lives than the secular compilers of the un report.

Dollar for dollar, oh oh I better check the exchange rate, not a whole bunch of other intellectual curiosity to consider. I'm pretty sure we've beaten healthcare comparisons to..., but then again it may be worth revisiting as the less palatable parts of ocare kick in by chinese, wink, water torture.

Are there rules of honor for discussing emotional curiosity. Awe never mind, it really did look like some blog, the way you opened it up.

Keith, this is what I'm talking about when I say I am weary of every thread in Misfires being turned into being about King.

Jim posted a funny, albeit pointed piece about the fundamentals of taxation and its effects for both our countries. In the very next post, you make it about King. Now I'm sure you can say that as our resident town crier, exposing duplicitous Libtards advocating confiscatory tax regimes, it was your duty to make it about King. But I think that, and similar arguments from you, should you make them, are specious.

King, seeing as you weighed in, you are fair game as well. Be very careful about touting Canada's equalization program.

It is classic, soul destroying welfare writ large, encouraging sloth and poor social, political and fiscal decision making in the regions that have come to depend on it, namely both our home provinces along with Quebec. It is classic warm cozy idea that has horrible long term effects.

Worse, it is now a sacred political cow that no politician has the balls to stand up and admit it has been bad for our country over the last 45 years.

You slide it into a larger post comparing the possible benefits that the different tax regimes offer our two countries. This is exactly the kind of thing that gets the goat of many here. You write as though it's benefits are fact. It is a hugely contentious program with illusory short term benefits of little staying power when compared to the rancor and division it creates. It's long term effects are clearly detrimental to a spirit of creativity and success.

You use it as an example of the Canadian tax regime superiority to an audience ill informed to make a judgement about the veracity or not of your statement. All thoughtful Canadians, not blinded by ideology or by personal benefit, have concerns about the program.