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I am looking at a Model 1894 sN: 108637. Is their a website to check year of production by serial number? Further, how do you determine grade of model 1894 guns????
Tom
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From the Remington site: Description: Remington's first hammerless double barrel shotgun Introduction Year: 1894 Year Discontinued: 1910 Total Production: 42,000 +/- Designer/Inventor: Remington Arms Action Type: Break action Caliber/Gauge: 10, 12, 16 gauge Serial Number Blocks: 100,000 – 142,000 # of Grades Offered: A, B, C, D, E, and Special Trap Variations: Available with or without automatic ejectors Available with ordnance steel or Damascus barrels http://www.wisnersinc.com/explodedviews/Rem_1894.htmhttp://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...df792#Post31150Pete
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PETE,
THANKS FOR THE INFO! ANOTHER QUESTION SHOULD THE 1894 REM. HAVE A "P" IN THE SERIAL NUMBER? ALSO WHERE IS THE GRADE INDICATED ON THE GUN?
TOM
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A grade is the lowest with no engraving B grade has a small amount of engraving (a little more than a PH Parker) C grade (a little less engraving than a GH Parker. D grade like a BH Parker E grade like an AH Parker. F grade a little less than a B grade Remington, this is a trap gun with steel barrels and generally a higher comb. Here are some pics of different grades. The bottom of a couple A grade guns  A couple B grades  A couple of C grades  A very nice E grade  
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The engraving on the E grade is very nice. If you ever want to sell that gun....
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Pete,
I was runner up bidder on that gun. My final bid was 7k the winning bid was the next one. I think it was a good deal but I couldnt afford any more. It needed some restoration but was solid. Ive never seen a D or E that had substandard engraving.
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The P was the Remington stock code for Model 1894s. Model 1900s often have a Q, their stock code. According to the serial number table in Semmer's book, 108,xxx would be in 1898 -- 106,917 to 110,895.
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Ross,
The more I thought about those geese, the more I realized they seemed familiar.
In Elliot's book on Lefever, pp 226 & 85, there is a Thousand Dollar Grade that according to the serial numbers was likely produced around 1896. The engraving is very similiar.
I am hardly an expert, but it appears to me to be by the same hand.
I know that in 1890 Albert E. Spangler and his brother Milton were engravers working for Lefever. He did several high grade Lefevers.
Other engravers in the Lefever shop at the time include Jacob Glahn & sons, as well as Kornbrath.
I wonder if any of them worked for Remington?
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Researcher,
Thanks for your input regarding serial numbers and years of manufacture. Another question please.....based on my serial number provided is this likely to be a 2 3/4 inch chambered gun or is it shorter? The gun appears to be ordnance steel....is that logical for the year of manufacture?
Tom
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By and large the 12-gauge Remington Hammerless Doubles appear to be chambered 2 5/8 inches. A very few graded trap or Pigeon guns may have left Ilion chambered for longer shells, but likely not many. My Father shot a boxcar load of factory 2 3/4 inch shells thru his 1896-vintage Damascus barrel AE-Grade from the 1940s to the 1980s with no ill effects!!
Ordnance Steel would be stamped (A- or B-Grade) or engraved (higher grades)on the top of each barrel if it was Ordnance Steel. The cheaper blued Remington Steel offered on A- or AE-Grades wasn't marked. I think the steel barrels were first offered in the April 1897 catalogue.
A hang tag of 1899 vintage just states the the gun was targetted with 3 1/2 drachms F.G. Powder and 1 1/4 ounces of #8 chilled shot, but doesn't mention the shell or its length. A 1908 vintage hang tag states the gun was targetted with a UMC Nitro Club shell, 2 5/8 inches in length, loaded with 24 grains of Infallible and 1 1/4 ounces of #8 chilled shot.
On the other hand, the Remington paper on their Autoloading Gun from the very get go in 1905 states that it is made for 2 3/4 inch shells.
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