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Seems to me it'd be odd to use "détente" for anything but trigger, since that's its common usage as a French gun term. One French shotgun book I have ("Les Armes de Chasse a Canon Lisse", or "Smooth Bore Hunting Guns"), includes a list of common gun terms. For détente:

"Small, curved metal part that the finger pushes to fire the gun." No secondary usage given.

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I really don't think the back trigger is fake? The toplever stop seems to pivot unlike others I have seen.





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Aha . . . Dijon. Must be an old usage, going back to the days of the Dukes of Burgundy, when those sleazy Burgundians were in league with the perfidious English. smile

Seriously . . . there's always a first time, but I've never seen "détente" used in reference to anything but triggers in "gun French".

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All right, let's get back to 1st principles & see what upon we can agree. Anyone against equating BF to Berthon Fréres for the Bté SGDG », abréviation de (Breveté)Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement:

http://www.littlegun.info/arme%20francaise/artisans%20a%20b/a%20berthon%20freres%20fr.htm

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Trademarks -

Perfecta - April 26th, 1912

Gallia & Lorraine - June 11th, 1912

French Patents Nr. 21760 & Nr. 552254

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Raimey, which photos show the information in your most recent post, other than "Gallia"? I do agree that the top lever stop looks to be unique.

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My last post was to show the trademark Gallia on the subject sporting weapon & just move other trademark info on BF to DGS.

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Ky Jon's Helice Elite BTÉ SGDG, BF in a rhombus on water-table, with Canon Gallia & Acier Force - Berthon Fréres(Chometon)




(Ml - BLOC)

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Have never seen "Force" following acier on a French gun previously, but then they seem to have used all sorts of adjectives to describe barrel steel. Also indicated as being of superior quality.

Raimey, is that a 2nd St Etienne proofmark I see on the barrels, far left of your photo? So, double proof (or maybe more)?

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Brown:
What's your take on the Ml Bloc & the Dog riding the Lion, Cat on a Horse or whatever it is?




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