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Yes, Lebeda had a percussion variant & there were a few others. But I think that A&D set the bar high & other than some minuscule difference for one of Greener's design, few if any had a parallel development/evolution for a lock in a metal box. A main reason is that few paid for the APUN and almost all set back & waited for the patent to expire then capitalized with their own variations for cheaper, better, faster, etc. We'll never know, but I think it would be safe to say that if the A&D Body Action had not arrived on the scene, almost all of the other locks in a metal box may not have been devised. The concept was that influential.
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I think it would better if they would stop trying so hard making it look like a sidelock with all those fake pins and screws and just engrave the plate. The French build a first class game gun that is generally head and shoulders above their market value or asking price but always manage to add something that just doesn't sit or look right.
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Here. I like this one better, anyway: http://www.gunsinternational.com/BRITTE-...un_id=100349911Looks good without any phony sidelock stuff. For those guys who know everything, extra points if you can name the style of grip (he has it listed as a straight grip, but, it isn't one) and the correct French pronunciation, and spelling. I could hunt with this one for a long time, too. Best, Ted
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Swans neck? Not sure in French?
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Ok it's whole lot nicer than B.C. Miroku Browning SLE, AYA No. 2 or Olin-Kodensha Parker Bros. Is one of you boys going to make him fair offer on that fine shotgun?
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OK, I'm confused, is that a French built gun and proofed in Belgium? Or French built for a Belgium firm that stamped their name on it?
As far as game guns go you would have to go British, and a top of the line British, to match the handling qualities of a French built gun.
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OK, I'm confused, is that a French built gun and proofed in Belgium? Or French built for a Belgium firm that stamped their name on it?
As far as game guns go you would have to go Brit, and a top of the line Brit, to match the handling qualities of a French built gun. Somedays. I handled the sale of a used 28 gauge R model Bruchet, brought in by Loren Thomas, LTD, back in the early 1980s. It had 24" tubes and a 16" LOP stock, with about 3" of drop. Wes Gilpin, RIP, winced when I mentioned the gun, it was ordered like that for somebody. The not original owner seller was happy to be rid of it, the buyer was tickled pink, and I never met a hominid that walked upright that the gun would have fit. It had a lot to do with me getting out of used guns. Back to your first question, I don't think anybody in France had anything to do with that Britte. But, the term used for the shape of the stock would be familiar to someone from either country. Dustin knows what it is. But, I doubt anyone else does. I have it on my R10. Love it. Best, Ted
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I suppose it's possible to split hairs, but a book I have entitled "Les Armes de Chasses a Canon Lisse" (Smooth Bore Hunting Guns) states that there are 3 types of stock currently being made: Pistol, semi-pistol, and English or straight. I'd describe that one as "une crosse droite (ou anglaise)",spelling and pronunciation relatively simple if you speak French. Looking through the Darne material I have, both from Bruchet and a former American importer doing business as The Drumming Stump with which Ted is quite familiar seem to list only two stock options: Crosse anglaise ou demi-pistolet.
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Vouzelaud confirmed that this 315EGL listed on their website is a sideplated boxlock. 315EGL Older VC boxlocks like the one in my earlier post were A&D boxlocks. The newer VCs use an entirely different action with a four-lump lockup. Dover, I think you got lost in the shuffle between Vouzelaud and Verney-Carron. The gun in your earlier post was a Vouzelaud. The 4 lump lockup is Verney-Carron . . . unless Vouzelaud is also using a 4-lump lockup.
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