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Hi folks! New guy here! My brother just presented me with the 12 ga. dbl hammergun our grampa picked up in Europe after WW1! The locks are stamped JOHN BUCKINGHAM ENGLAND and the toprib is stamped ENGLAND LAMINATED STEEL with a nice spiral pattern on the barrels. All steel parts are nicely engraved and the wood(?) buttplate has a nice birdhunting scene w/roccoco vines carved into it! The pistol grip wrist is fully checkered. Circa 1860 to 1880? Google searches for this builder have come up empty. I posted this inquiry on the americanlongrifles.com sight, where I usually hang out(I'm a muzzleloading gun builder), and was given a link to this sight. I have taken pics but haven't had time to download them to my photobucket. I will post some pics if anyone's interested. Does anyone here have information, timeline & value (not for sale)for this builder??? THANKS!
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The name John Buckingham dose not appear in any of my reference books pertaining to the English gun trade. In all probality, it was a gun made by the Birmingham trade and sold under the name of a hardware store[Ironmonger in the U.K.] Details of the proof marks will help to establish the origin of your gun, can you post same for review? An outside possibility exists that the name Buckingham relates to a city of that name in Buckinghamshire, England.However the only gunmaker listed in Buckingham is John Meeham, Bridge Street, in 1852
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The name John Buckingham dose not appear in any of my reference books pertaining to the English gun trade. In all probality, it was a gun made by the Birmingham trade and sold under the name of a hardware store[Ironmonger in the U.K.] Details of the proof marks will help to establish the origin of your gun, can you post same for review? An outside possibility exists that the name Buckingham relates to a city of that name in Buckinghamshire, England.However the only gunmaker listed in Buckingham is John Meeham, Bridge Street, in 1852
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What type of proof marks are on the gun?
As Roy suggests, it may be a small retailer of B'ham made gun. It also may be a Belgian gun in English disguise - if there was ever a name that tried to sound more English ("John Buckingham England") I don't know what it would be.
Let us know what you find.
Ken
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I'll try to post pics of the gun & proof marks tomorrow. Right now I am assuming JOHN is a surname and BUCKINGHAM is the shop location.
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tomcast: Please post close up pics of the damascus pattern also. In the 1891 Birmingham Proof House testing, English 3 Iron Laminated Steel was the winner of almost 40 damascus and twist barrels tested.
Last edited by revdocdrew; 05/03/07 09:55 AM.
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What are the odds on the proof marks being Liege?
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s - 'bout 50:50 right now. However, we are promised photos, so we will be able to resolve it.
tomcast - welcome.
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Hmmmm! I see most of a Birmingham set of proofs, but I don't see the view mark and the final BP proof mark. There appears to be a Birmingham provisional proof on each barrel. It looks like it is a lower cost colonial grade gun. I dunno. Maybe one of the more expert guys will weigh in.
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