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King won't like this even his beloved NYT,a liberal rag,has to admit yes indeed there were WMD's in Iraq !

It's a stunning revelation: American soldiers in Iraq came across thousands of chemical weapons -- and a number of them suffered long-term injuries after being exposed to mustard and sarin gas.

And today, ISIS controls the territory where these chemical weapons were found.

These facts are laid bare by New York Times reporter C.J. Chivers in a long article, �The Secret Casualties of Iraq�s Abandoned Chemical Weapons.� How ironic that the left-leaning Times is presenting facts that are at odds with a favorite narrative of the anti-war left -- namely, that the mendacious Bush administration had lied about the existence of WMDs in Iraq.

Elaborating on the magnitude of Saddam's WMD sites, Chivers writes:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein�s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.




http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/10/ny_times_admits_saddam_had_wmds.html#ixzz3GDR5igD4

I stopped reading domestic publications long ago. I'm sick and tired of liberal brainwashing and conservative scare tactics.

Dave, you told us earlier the NYT is "not a real newspaper."

Secondly, these disposed of or hidden chemical weapons aren't the "WMDs" that Bush and Powell ostensibly went to war to remove. Everyone knows Hussein used mustard and sarin on his people.

Here's from the NYT story:

"The discoveries of these chemical weapons did not support the government�s invasion rationale.

"After the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Mr. Bush insisted that Mr. Hussein was hiding an active weapons of mass destruction program, in defiance of international will and at the world�s risk. United Nations inspectors said they could not find evidence for these claims.

"Then, during the long occupation, American troops began encountering old chemical munitions in hidden caches and roadside bombs. Typically 155-millimeter artillery shells or 122-millimeter rockets, they were remnants of an arms program Iraq had rushed into production in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.

"All had been manufactured before 1991, participants said. Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.
In case after case, participants said, analysis of these warheads and shells reaffirmed intelligence failures. First, the American government did not find what it had been looking for at the war�s outset, then it failed to prepare its troops and medical corps for the aged weapons it did find."

Dave, the US "did NOT find what it had been looking for at the war's outset" to back up its flimsy evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction presented to the world and the United Nations by Powell. The US didn't publicize these discoveries because "they did NOT support the invasion's rationale." Make of it what you want. Consensus of the world and your generals who fought the war is that it was a mistake costing 4,500 lives, 11,000 wounded and a trillion dollars.

I read liberal and conservative publications, Jager. How else to measure my own prejudices?

Dave doesn't read the "liberal rag" NYT but appears to have been directed to it by a conservative source offering a different interpretation of the NYT story.

Dave would have us believe the opposite of the NYT story posted, in part, above. It doesn't wash.

A country bearing open wounds of Vietnam should be wary of propaganda from any source i.e. the US must save the world from communism under Washington's Domino Theory ; stop it in Vietnam before it engulfs us all.

Another mistake: 55,000 American lives for barging into a civil war evolving from the Vietnamese kicking out their French colonizers. Ike warned accurately in his closing address to beware of the military-industrial complex.

Read everything you can get your hands on to maintain your interest in the world. Jager.

I put the NYT refence up as its seem to be one libtard rag YOU seem to believe king !

facts are facts King and yes there were indeed WMD's(they are now in ISIS hands thanks to your almighty Obama's flailed attempt at stopping them with out boots on the ground"shock and yawn";

Elaborating on the magnitude of Saddam's WMD sites, Chivers writes:

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein�s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

You're repeating the opposite of what Chivers wrote, Dave. The rusty remnants were made for the Iraq-Iran war (when my daughter was in Baghdad as secretary of Canada's ambassador to Iraq).

Rusted shells and mustard/sarin residue aren't the WMD's that the US went to war to remove. They were, from your quote above,"chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein�s rule."

ISIS wouldn't look at acknowledged junk, having access to all the arms and technology literally handed over to them by the US's expensively trained and equipped Iraqi army.

We are talking about if Iraq had WMD's at the time of the invasion and removal of Hussian,not what the condition of them is now-we could argue that if we wanted to "change the facts" like you do.

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein�s rule.

It has also been substantiated that a large amount of chemical weapons were moved to Syria from Iraq prior to our invasion and other stocks were used on the Kurds. I have confronted many lefties on this point and, as usual, they either ignore it or try to change the subject.
One of the principal tenets of these lefties is Hussian HAD NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION even though notable lefties like both Clinton's maintained otherwise before we invaded. However the truth is inconvenient and again as usual they won't admit they were wrong.
This is just ONE example of why I have no respect whasoever for those on the left.
Jim

And they also soon forget that they agreed and supported the War.Of course that was back in the old days when congress held votes and we had a international coalition too !

Democrats who voted for the Iraq war

Baucus (MT) Bayh (IN) Biden (DE) Breaux (LA)Cantwell (WA) Carnahan (MO) Carper (DE) Cleland (GA) Clinton (NY) Daschle (SD) Dodd (CT) Dorgan (ND) Edwards (NC) Feinstein (CA) Harkin (IA) Hollings (SC) Johnson (SD) Kerry (MA) Kohl (WI) Landrieu (LA) Lieberman (CT) Lincoln (AR) Miller (GA) Nelson (FL) Nelson (NE) Reid (NV) Rockefeller (WV) Schumer (NY) Torricelli (NJ)

C.J. Chivers is a very distinguished reporter, Pulitzer Prize Winner, former US Marine infantry officer, Columbia journalism graduate.

If you believe what he wrote, the evidence is clearly that the discoveries bear no relation whatsoever to the claimed WMDs for which the US went to war.

If the discoveries were relevant, the US would have claimed it to the world. The US didn't because Chivers said they weren't evidence of the alleged WMDs.

It's all there in his reporting, the relative parts I've posted in entirety above. Believe what you want to but I've been on to this story since Jerry Bull, later killed by Mossad, was building Hussein giant cannons for those shells.