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I understand fully your point, Doug. In my view, there was a disproportionate use of force which culminated in a killing from what appears to be a defence of property (stealing cigars?) and disobeying a police officer.

I wonder what ed good, or any of the libtards around here, would do in this situation, since this was NOT a "Hollywood twisted liberal fiction Movie", but a real world experience.....?......

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/mis...wn-says-source/

�They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that�s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face."

The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman�s firearm, resulting in the gun going off � although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"

At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.

Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.

I was referring to the source quoted in a story (fox news?) posted by a member.

I prefaced my post with willing to wait for the official report because it's mostly speculation and gossip otherwise.

The 15 police-involved shootings in Manitoba since 2007 where a suspect was hit. This list does not include eight other cases in that same time span, all in Winnipeg, where shots were fired by police at a suspect or vehicle but nobody was hit.[/b]

JULY 2014: Evan Cromarty, 20, shot and wounded by RCMP in Norway House. Police were trying to arrest him on new criminal charges. Witnesses say he was unarmed and that as many as four shots were fired. He suffered a bullet wound to the shoulder. Alberta police have been brought in to investigate.

MAY 2014: Andrew Lebrun, 21, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police. He was accused of robbing a Domo -- where his own brother was working -- and then lunging towards police with a knife. A witness believes three shots were fired. He suffered a bullet wound to the upper arm.

NOVEMBER 2011: Steven Peters, 28, shot and wounded by RCMP on Long Plain First Nation. Police were responding to a call about multiple assaults on the reserve. Peters confronted police while armed with a baseball bat. He suffered a bullet wound to the stomach. Regina police were brought in to investigate.

JULY 2011: John Charlette, 27, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police in a North End alley. He was accused of robbing a cab driver and threatening both him and responding police with a knife. He suffered a bullet wound to an undisclosed location. His lawyer later told court Charlette was attempting "suicide by cop."

MARCH 2011: Paul Duck, 52, shot and killed by RCMP in God's Lake First Nation. Duck confronted police while armed with a shotgun. He was struck twice and died instantly. Saskatoon police were brought in to investigate.

NOVEMBER 2010: A 14-year-old boy shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Portage Avenue. The teen was behind the wheel of a vehicle which led police on a high-speed mid-day chase and veered towards officers. The teen suffered a bullet wound to an undisclosed location.

JULY 2010: Geoffrey Reid, 23, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Alexander Avenue. Reid threatened police with a gun following a traffic stop. He was struck once in the lower body.

MAY 2010: Lance Muir, 42, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Langside Street. The former biker with a notorious criminal past had broken into a home, then led police on a dangerous high-speed chase in a stolen car. Witnesses say he was armed with a crowbar and had veered his car towards officers.

MARCH 2010: Eric Daniels, 28, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Sargent Avenue. The known gang member confronted police with a machete and refused to drop the weapon when they responded to a disturbance call. Three shots were fired, and one struck and killed him.

JULY 2009: Derek Richard, 27, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Mountain Avenue. Police were executing a drug search warrant when they were confronted by Richard. Police never disclosed if he was armed with a weapon. He was struck with at least two bullets in the stomach.

FEBRUARY 2009: Matthew Prince, 24, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police on Ashburn Street. Police were responding to the stabbing of a woman when they were confronted by the man who was armed with a pair of butcher knives. He suffered two bullet wounds to the arm and thigh.

AUGUST 2008: Craig McDougall, 26, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Simcoe Street. He confronted police with what they believed was a knife -- but witnesses claim was a cellphone -- when they responded to a disturbance call. He was Tasered and then shot four times. An inquest into his death is pending.

DECEMBER 2007: Roy Bell, 44, shot and killed by Winnipeg police on Langside Street. Bell confronted police while armed with an airsoft pellet gun and had a history of mental illness, which led to his discharge from the Canadian Forces.

JULY 2007: Kristofer Fournier, 23, shot and wounded by Winnipeg police in River Heights. Fournier, a known drug dealer, had led police on a high-speed chase. He was unarmed. He suffered a bullet wound to the buttocks. Two police officers involved in the shooting were charged criminally but later acquitted by a jury.

MARCH 2007: Ahmed Saleh-Azad, 61, shot and killed by Winnipeg police responding to a call for help inside Madison Memorial Lodge on Evanson Street. He had just stabbed a man to death and refused police demands to drop his weapon as he hovered over the victim's body.

Officers can't enforce the law by running away. Killing a miscreant in defence of property is a no-no in Canada. A Toronto shopkeeper who shot a thief running from his store a few years ago was a national story.

It's not so much as not having experience with enforcement, Doug, as of a different culture. Life is valued more highly than a cigar or TV set. Officers even removing their sidearms on duty is an automatic inquiry.

King, you may be right, the officer may think that. The problem is that in a society governed by rules and with men and women charged with enforcing those rules, it was his job to do something about the person who had just assaulted him (if that was the case).

Police officers are not in the business of letting criminals walk away. We ask them, in fact, to ensure that does not happen, by whatever lawful means they deem necessary at the time.