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Mark,

You answer your own question regarding your libtard buddy SKB. If you are his friend and you have some influence with him and you wish to transform liberal voters to conservative voters, I would think you would have started with libtard SKB back in 2007...?......It would NOT have been successful, but did you try.....?...... SKB and others like him ARE the reason we are in "THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL" that you mention. You just can't fix stupid Mark, no matter how hard you try.

Anybody who voted for the "Magic Negro" in either election DOES have a lack of intelligence, any way you cut it Mark....What is happening now to this country was forecast with the election of the Magic Negro and has now come home to roost. With just a little homework anybody with an active brain and some intelligence would have seen this coming, all of it......and indeed the intelligent people did. Hating Bush is not an excuse to do a 180 in the voting booth and besides only a "libtard" truly hated Bush.

The minorities were a given and always, as a majority, march lock step with the Democrats and having a black candidate really had their attention...... Besides all the voter fraud, it was the white libtards who thought it would "be nice" to have a black president, or hated Bush, or wanted more free stuff and those folks pushed the "Magic Negro" over the top. These people can now view first hand the downward spiral they helped to create.

Only when the libtard public suffers enough financially (only the ones that do work) will they change their vote as history proves, and this has nothing to do with what we say or post on this "one of many million" BBS's........AND YES, VOTING FOR AN INEXPERIENCED PERSON FOR THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS IGNORANT......Ignorance is a sad thing Mark, but it has been with us since day one.

I made a damn good case for my dislike of Bush, namely a war we did not need an his overspending. Morons like you Doug are what cost the GOP the last election. The Republican National committee spent millions analyzing the last loss and came up with the same conclusion. A bigger tent is what is needed for the GOP to win, yet you want the party to run as hard to the right as possible. Oh I bet it was libtards infiltrating the party. A dinosaur indeed Doug. The days are numbered for idiots like you. Here is an interesting article, damn liberal media. Remind you of anyone Doug?

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/fox-geezer-syndrome/

Lefty Stevie thinks he "made a damn good case for " his "dislike of Bush, namely a war we did not need an (sic) his overspending."

However, no-one, conservative or liberal, wants or needs a war. War is always costly in terms of death, injury, and monetary costs associated with the production of war materials... plus the resulting destruction and costs of rebuilding after the conflict.

But there are times when war becomes inevitable... when all the "Give peace a chance" chants in the world won't help. Often, the conflict can be traced back to a failure in diplomacy or foreign policy. Often, the cost and duration of the war can be traced back to the way it was waged.

Saddam invaded Kuwait in late 1990. An international coalition of forces was able to quickly rout him and decimate his vaunted million man army in a matter of days. Bleeding heart Liberals pressured Bush Sr. to pull back the big hammer, and eventually pull out, with tough U.N. Sanctions in place... sanctions that Saddam quickly began violating. Bill Clinton twiddled his thumbs and did nothing but talk about these violations which included oil smuggling, weapons smuggling, banishment of U.N. Weapons Inspectors, and threats and bluster about the resumption of WMD production.

Bush Jr. went back in to complete the job in March 2003 with the approval of 86% of the American public, and strong support from leading Democrat two-faced rats like Kerry and Bill Clinton. The costs were larger than expected because Clinton military budget cuts had weakened our military drastically. Once again, Liberals pressed for idiotic rules of engagement which allowed the enemy to inflict casualties which should not have happened. Iraq II was merely a continuation of Iraq I, and the rise of ISIS there is merely the beginning of Iraq III as Obama begins treating another gaping wound with bandaids. We will either finish the job correctly now... which Obama will never do... or we will be dragged into a larger mess later. If a Republican happens to be the one who has to go in yet again in a big way... he will be blamed for problems that originated with Liberal Democrats and were perpetuated by Obama. The only way any army will finally beat radical Islam is to smash them like an egg hit with a sledge hammer. Anything less will have them making a comeback within a decade. Libtards have been, and will continue to be the biggest impediment to getting the job done right.

And disingenuous libtard fools like SKB will be here pretending to be Conservatives... but bashing Conservatives as often as they can without completely blowing their cover. Nothing will ever bring Lefty Stevie into the "Bigger Tent" that he wants the Republicans to erect... Nothing except becoming Liberal Left Socialists just like he and King.

Dinosaurs did not die off on their own or get beaten in elections by mammals without voter I.D. cards. It took a cataclysmic explosion from the crash of a large asteroid, and a resulting ice age to kill them off. Without that asteroid, dinosaurs would still be eating mammals as quickly as they emerged from hiding. Is that why you're hiding from me Stevie? Is that why you won't answer Doug about your thinly veiled support for Obama and the Liberal Left. We don't want or need inclusiveness with dishonest folks like you. What we really need to do is open the eyes of the people you have been fooling. Then we can get our country back on the right path.

The First Gulf War ended in a mess. I knew back then that we'd be back, and the the Bush Sr. rationalization to stop in order to keep the Arab members in the coalition was a mistake. I knew it just a couple of nights after we halted, and we could watch the Iraqis in the distance lighting up the Shiites.

A "bigger tent" is what the republicans need, but NOT by becoming more statist by buying the votes of entitled victim groups, the democrats already have that down.

It is the teaching of the traditional American values of Individual Freedom and Equality that is the answer, and is the one concept that has alway culturally unified us. (the basis of American Exceptionalism) But that was before the Balkanization, by the Democrats, of our country into a mess of unconstitutional, sociopathic, statist, religious, entitled victim sub-cults.

Ken, the skids are greased by guys like King, SKB, Jagermeister, nca, homer, OWD, Fin2Feather, Rocky Mtn Bill, Dave-in-Maine, etc. These are the guys who can cherry pick the failures of the Republicans like Bush Jr. and use that as a convenient excuse to support and provide cover for the Liberal Left Democrats who are flushing this country down the toilet. Yet they can totally ignore the massive failures of the Democrat Leftists, and even ignore the fact that those are the people who work so dilligently to take away our Second Amendment Rights.

Here's a link to the recent Chinese spacecraft landing on the moon. That's where this country was 50 years ago before the Great Society bled us dry and made times like this nothing but a memory:

http://www.space.com/23971-china-moon-rover-landing-change3-success.html

i am going to take steve at his word that he is going to vote a straight G.O.P. ticket i'll never convince anyone here so i wont try i don't shit on friends. the end

Hey, you've got me convinced! And I am going to believe that OJ Simpson did not kill Nicole... that Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky... that you can keep your Doctor and your Health Care plan under ObamaCare...

And more than anything, I am going to take King Brown's oft stated word that he never voted for a Liberal...

Oh, wait a minute, he said he never voted "Liberal". That's different because Liberals go by numerous names in Canadian Political parties. They differ somewhat, ranging from far left Socialist anti-gun loons to complete anti-gun Libtard wackos. It helps to have those deceptive qualifiers. I'd still like to know the Miqmak words for, "Him speak with forked tongue."

I think it was Shakespeare who said that "A Liberal Rose by another name would still smell like rotten fish."

I suspect he is stating that so you stop badgering him. I can't say I blame him.

Keith,im going to have to take it your a nice guy

Nice guys finish last. When you have folks like Jagermeister or King helping your country on its' slide into the toilet... being nice is like giving an arsonist gasoline and matches. It would be nice to pretend otherwise... but facing reality dictates another path.