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susjwp #373136 07/19/14 09:55 AM
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Ahhhhhhh... A taste of the good ole days. This is how this forum used to operate and I couldn't be more pleased to see civility and free flow of expert info again. I second what Ky.Jon said...Thanks and best regards,

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I really want to thank all involved for this line of discussion. I just purchased a Syracuse Arms 16 ga. today and am attempting to learn more about it and the company. I don't think it's anything fancy but it felt good so I picked it up! I sure found the right place to learn! I live in the communist state of Illinois so I have to wait until Monday to pick it up from the Auction house...can't wait to give it a close look. Thanks again all...Joe

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When you retrieve your old SAC 16-gauge; post pics here and we can tell you exactly what it is you have. The 16 gauge SAC gun was first cataloged in 1901, and near the end of the first model prodution run. It was offered in all cataloged grades, except for the hammer gun; and with barrel lengths at 26", 28", and 30". SAC 16's were made in all model variatios; but the actual production period is determined by gun features, and not by serial number. I always find this stuff interesting; and will assist you with any information I have available.

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That'll be interesting. I wonder if it was made as a "lightweight" gun as well? Perhaps a 16ga on more like a 20ga frame? Please get a good weight on it, I'd like to see how it compares to my 16ga Flues..
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Originally Posted By: susjwp
Thank you all very much. The knowledge and experience of posters on this forum continues to amaze. The gun making fraternity in NY must have been tight: Baker, Lefever, Remington, Smith, and Syracuse. It would be nice to have a representative gun from each.


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We're thinking the same way. I'm still looking for a Lefever project gun.
Ken


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susjwp #373413 07/22/14 07:12 PM
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Interesting SAC ad from 1903 with "Guaranteed to Shoot ANY Nitro Powder and NOT GET LOOSE"



1895 Hunter Arms ad



1897 Chas. Godfrey N.Y. courtesy of Researcher via Tom



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Maybe it was a New York thing? smile

c. 1900 Ithaca ad. The hammerless gun illustration clearly shows Damascus barrels and was also advertised as “Guaranteed Never to Shoot Loose With Nitro powder”


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They may have shared the same marketing/ public relations consultants. Would make an interesting chapter in a history of gun manufacturing in NY.

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Here's the Baker variant c. 1925 "They Never Shoot Loose"



1929 with the Folsom address


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Most guns don't "Shoot Loose". Any break open gun will "Get Loose" if continually opened & closed without being kept clean of grit & properly lubed.


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