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some of youse are constantly whining here about the loss of your gun rights...

well, what about your fellow citizens who live in fear for one of their loved ones or themselves that they will be shot by someone with a gun? what about their rights?

First, remind 'em of their right to pursue happiness.

Then, it can go one 'o two ways. If they're an anti, oh well, it's inevitable, right. Maybe, call the proper authorities, cuz mr. civil bad guy would put the scenario on hold like below.

If they're a progunner, put the scenario on hold, again, and make an iron clad self defense fed law. Then, let 'em decide how to deter the criminal as the situation dictates, as is supposedly done thousands of times each year in the US.

Or, you can blame the H&H Royale that the criminal used and send it to the crusher after some lib judge no longer says it's evidence in the revolving door process.

On average we have about a 1 out of 280 chance of our cause of death being homicide by gunman. While you are huddling in your basement worrying about a bad man coming down the stairs to shoot you you should also worry about being killed by a drunk driver, eating french fries (congestive heart failure), staying out of the sun (Melanoma), drinking Big Gulps (diabetes), drowning during a flash flood, and, in your particular circumstances, being killed in an inadvertent oxy/acetylene explosion.

Give me a break.

Did you seriously just say this?

craig: what if they don't give a damn about guns, one way or the other. they are just afraid for themselves or their loved ones getting shot.

millions of people living in high crime areas feel this way. so, don't that have a right to be free of fear of getting shot?

mike: betcha if you lived in south Chicago, parts of LA or Detroit, etc, where the gun fire on the street is common, your attitude would not be so cavalier.

canvas: yeah I did...you see, millions of Americans don't give a damn about guns...they are just afraid of getting shot...so what about their right to be free of fear of getting shot?

Then I would suggest that they excersize their 2nd Ammendment rights like I do..........buy an effing gun and defend themselves should the occaision arise.

Both your favorite cities have had dem mayors for, well a long time. Any correlation? If you're making up rights, why not give 'em the right ask city hall for help.

For the folks who don't give a damn about guns, that's their right. Take your detroit for example, there're some folks who do exercise the pursuit of happiness, elsewhere.

Ed framed the ongoing debate, of which everyone here is familiar: the right of gun ownership and a perceived right of not requiring a gun for personal safety. All of us are for gun ownership except for the mentally ill. Most of us would prefer not to need a gun to stay alive at home or on the street. Can it be left there?