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Hypothetical, say you get drift that al sharpton is headed up to NS to shake down the forestry industry. Everyone pow wows and says King, pick a dream team of support staffers, the best of the best, and meet with al and see what he wants. You have a teem of twenty of the best, brightest and socially accomplished WHITE GUYS, and the meeting is set for tomorrow.

Ole al shows up alone. Seems his staff was out drinking the night before and slept in. Question, do you have a snow balls chance in....

my, my, how we do ramble on, and on, and on...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

With respect, Brian, you've extrapolated my "similar references" to "a general consensus wherein the majority supports the belief." I said nothing about a consensus.

You want the names of those who "believe, support and publicize this belief"---referring apparently to a consensus---agreement of opinion--- introduced by you, not me.

I would be pleased to oblige if you're asking for a source of "similar references." I mentioned one I read recently, if memory serves, in Maclean's by Paul Wells, one the country's most respected authors and columnists.

But let's be clear: reference and consensus are two different things. In the military, it could be the difference of an opinion---a reference---or a firing squad, from a consensus she deserved to die!

King
there is no use trying to get a factual answer form you on this.

But let me try one last time:
supposed I said that the NY Yankees are considered the best baseball team in the history of the game.
Many people, especially Boston fans would ask "according to who?"
I could answer it in several ways
1. I say so
2. that's what I hear people saying (what people)
3. the NY POst says so. (one newspaper???, hardly a definitive validation of the statement.
4. The NY Times, Sports illustrated, the sports writers union (make believe) the Governor of NY, the 3 major networks and the SIEU all came out and publicly declared this.

nothing you have said comes even remotely close to substantiating your statement that "Obama is considered the most cerebral President. However if this is YOUR OPINION, just say so. otherwise site more than one reference from an non US newspaper.
Otherwise it is considered the opinion of a bystander with no skin in the game which means it doesn't count for squat in the real world.
bottom line, if you think that, fine, just say so or pony up the sources of this endorsement of Obamas intellectual superiority.

one other angle:
King,: Brussel sprouts are the most reviled vegetable on the planet
Me: according to who?
King: The Zimbabwe free press says so.
Me: That's not what I asked.
King: well, back in the day, when we came back from a day on the boats, we ate salmon and drank beer.
Me: I asked who said Brussel Sprouts were the most reviled veggie on the planet.
King: Is it potato or potatoe?
Not what I asked.

see what I mean. I simple answer that supports YOUR initial statement about Obama. You said it , not me.

Wouldn't make a bit of difference who or how many Al had with him, craig. The landowners association I helped found 47 years ago has never been defeated in its battles for collective bargaining and responsible forestry against some of the world's biggest forestry corporations---Swedish, British, Finnish, American---and provincial and federal governments. We've been so successful that the provincial government has delegated its private lands responsibilities to our association in a radical institutional change unprecedented in North America and possibly the world. We'd give Al a good time and send him home happy.

Good. You're now back on point. No more consensus. You want a reference. To keep on point, here's the statement you've taken exception to:

"Obama is considered the most cerebral and eloquent American leader in a generation. Those attributes alone don't make a great president. He is a disappointment to me."

I made the statement from what I've read over the years in books, newspapers and journals. I have not read that he is not cerebral---"of the brain" OED---or eloquent. The statement should be self-evident.

You posted: "Who considers Obama the most cerebral American?" I replied that similar references are common, and added perhaps most recently by a distinguished writer in Maclean's, Canada's national newsmagazine.

Then you introduce another dead horse: "pony up the sources of this endorsement of Obama's intellectual superiority." Cerebral doesn't confer intellectual superiority---far from it.

You then ask for "more than one reference from a non-US newspaper." Paul Wells' reference in Maclean's is not good enough for what is plain as pudding: Obama is the most eloquent and cerebral American leader in a generation.

I agree with the opinion of others in this respect. I'll pass along another similar reference when I see one. It pleases me we're off irrelevant tangents and back to reference and meaning. I also like the Yankees and brussel sprouts.

Oh Brian, Brian, Brian, you have opened the door to the King Zone... where truth and honesty and reality are suspended and frozen in time. (Twilight Zone music playing eerily in the backround)

I do hope you'll spend a little more time pressing King for the answers he refuses to give. He can't give you any because he's been caught in another of his many lies. He'll call it an opinion, but we all see that it was a declarative statement. You will never get the answers you seek, but it will serve to further illustrate just how devious King is in advancing his Liberal Socialist anti-gun agenda here.

*Note*---even as I was typing this, King changed his declarative statement to "I agree with the opinion of others in this respect." Do I know our resident liar, or what?

King downgraded his statement to "similar references are common", but he can only give you one, maybe, if his memory serves him correctly, and from a non U.S. source. But since King pees his pants every time he thinks about Obama, it must be true.

King lies once again in his post above when he states that he has not read that Obama is not cerebral or eloquent. But he reads that here almost everyday from us and from the links we provide. He pretends to ignore me, but is he now claiming to ignore almost everyone else except ed, his little cheerleader? There is a wealth of examples from Conservatives who say that Obama is incompetent and helpless without his teleprompter, and that his only talents are golfing, vacationing, and fundraising. Yet King, being a pathological liar, will insist that he hasn't seen them.

Consider his statement, "Cerebral doesn't confer intellectual superiority--- far from it." This is every bit as dishonest as Kings' finding a loophole in the presidential oath of office. So what does he mean when he considers Obama cerebral? Is he saying that he eats the uncooked brains of green monkeys? Is he saying that he might have cerebral palsy? Is he saying that Obama has a large, but mostly empty cranium? Here's a definition for "Cerebral" from Merriam Webster:

1a : of or relating to the brain or the intellect b : of, relating to, affecting, or being the cerebrum
2a : appealing to intellectual appreciation <cerebral drama> b : primarily intellectual in nature <a cerebral society>


It looks like the Muse of Nova Scotia is doing the Dance of the Gnomoron again. You'd think he'd be embarrassed, but he even has himself convinced to believe his own lies.