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I am starting a pledge drive to pay to have ed permanently banned. As you make your pledge I will edit this post and add your name and pledge amount. When the amount seems about right I will report this post to Dave and see if he will make the deal with us.

AmarilloMike $100
craigd (June 27) $10
Geo. Newbern (June 27) $100 July 9 George retracted his $100 pledge
Stan $100
craigd (June 28) $10
keith $100
Geo. Newbern (June 30) $10
Julio $20
MarketHunter $20

how about $100 per day? but dave has to verify it.

Hey ed, can I borrow ten bucks.

OK you got my pledge $100...Geo

Permanently seems a bit harsh. How 'bout Dave spins a wheel with seven day markers on it, and when ed's day comes up, he gets on for a few hours, that day?
If the word "restoration","torch" or "master gunsmith" are typed in his message, he gets booted for 6 months.

Best,
Ted

I've been playing "watch the topic page" for awhile, on here, so I want don't care if he stays a few more days. I'm waiting to see how long it takes until "ed good" is the name shown for the most recent post, on every topic on the page, at the same time. I've seen it, so far, eight out of ten.

But, in the interest of unity, I will put the good of the "community" ahead of my fun.

I'm in for $100.

SRH

a $1000 pledge to dave will buy you eleven days free of me...

come on guys, put your money where your mouth is.

ed we're going for the full ban. But thanks anyway.

mikie: who's this we? we are fund raising for dave. why not join in and be a part of something greater than yourself?

Ok, since ed insists, I'll stay in it half-heartedly. I really didn't think much of his case color assumptions, but that's my problem, not his. I do appreciate that most of it stays down here now.

It's not a whole lot, but Mike when this one gets called, or drifts down the page a bit, I'll double up on mine and send it off to Dave. Anyone else been thinking more and more about the fall.

still enjoying summer here...in cool, sunny, low humidity nh.

You just don't know how much, craig. June 21 is hump day for me. All the days now are getting a little bit shorter.

68 DAYS AND A WAKEUP until dove season !!!!!

SRH

Thanks Stan, no kidding, gave me a little smile.

I am conflicted by this pledge drive to permanently ban ed. While it is certainly a worthy and noble cause, I think there are more cost effective means to make him simply go away.

And while nobody would miss him... even a little bit... you gotta admit that it is entertaining in a way to see just how dumb or dishonest some people can be here. Scary to think that they get to drive cars and vote.

I guess I'm saying that I'd rather spend $100.00 bucks toward my next shotgun rather than as a pledge to get rid of an immature, annoying, intellectually stunted, man-child.

But the pledge could help with the server and software upgrades that will help this website, so put me down for $100 as well.

If this catches on, it could be a far greater source of revenue than the For Sale section. Watch out Burger King!

yawn...

ed I notice you have been on your best behavior the last couple of days.

Good boy!

Every village has their idiot so I guess the village of double guns won't be any different!

sxs: a short, clever post...impressive.

Village of idiots or a ship of fools, Jim? How much more stupid and garrulous is Ed Good than the rest of us? I don't think he has done harm or been mean.

Dave has more integrity than taking money to ban forever a member because some Misfires don't like him. The Misfires won't corrupt him.

Maybe so, maybe so, King. But, if you keep bumping it up, I can't send Dave his twenty bucks that I committed to.

if it were not for members like king and myself, who dare to sometimes question some of the self serving pontificates here, misfire would be a very dull place indeed.

No one is committed to anything, craig. It's all an aberration. Misfires is an aberration. We're aberrations, straying from the path, moral slips. That's why Dave shoved us off with dunce caps in the Misfires corner. He's not taking us seriously nor is anyone else, why should you?

Mike's one of the sanest here. His musing dissolved into "making a deal" with Dave to rid Misfires---imagine, Misfires!---of Ed. Only last week we were praising a Russian thug and his despotic brand of governance, and in same breath raising the Stars and Stripes and reminding all of The Soldier's Pledge.

As usual King you off in your own parallel universe. If you look at the posting statistics Misfires is the 2nd most popular area here on the Double Gun Forum.
No bad for a bunch of misfits and I'll just bet than some of the biggest critics are also some of the most frequent visitors here.
Jim

Jim, what's the number of posts to do with intelligence and integrity of Misfires' contributors? Do our numbers boost Misfires' IQ? From the examples I've given above, Misfires is bedlam. Hardly a distinction to embellish a cv: "an active member of a bunch of misfits," to use your words for this motley crew.

when participating in misfires ceases to be entertaining for me, I will no longer participate.

Bedlam:
Bedlam is the state the current Federal Government is in here. No real direction no one responsible in charge and no one capable of assessing the multiple crisis that are occurring and responding in any meaningful way.
Obama just anounced he's going to bypass Congress and "solve" the border crisis on his own. That's the equivelent of a newly minted PFC insisting he's the individual capable of providing military leadership in Iraq!
What an idiot!
Misfires is the section of this forum that has long term relevance. As long as the responsible individuals continue to report here on the Libtard excesses that are intended to diminish our Constitional rights and keep the membership up to date we'll have our grandchildren enjoying firearms as much as we do.
You and others of your ilk can continue to do what you can to try and diminish and demean the message we try to bring here. But we will continue to report the facts and show you and others up as exactly what you are. Libtards masquerading as responsible gun owners.

Jim

Fair enough, Jim. "As long as the responsible individuals continue to report" the silly actions of those who, for example, conspired to pay Dave to ban forever a member because they don't like what he says or does! Or those who declare, as you do above, that those who don't agree with you are irresponsible gun owners. Each is responsible to "diminish and demean" that kind of message to strengthen constitutional rights, coming on the heels of misfits last week proselytizing Putin for his politics of exclusion. Some forget that Americans only 50 years ago came around to accepting a Catholic as president. Takes time.

what! this thread is not about me anymore...my ego will not allow it!

and jim, bedlam? you think this forum is bedlam...
Webster defines bedlam as "a place, scene, or state of uproar and confusion"...but then, it has been noticed how agitated you become when someone challenges any of your rigid preconceived concepts... like your views regarding even discussion of the pros and cons to restricting possession of certain classes of firearms, with the goal of promoting the general welfare of our society...sounds like you have drunk the nra cool aid that declares all gun control to be bad and that people like me who dare to even discuss the topic are bad.

and king, right on as usual...except, I do not see your comparison of putin's declaration of principle to preserve russian culture and the election of a catholic as president of the united states as being related...maybe you could splain that one a bit more.

I'm uppin' my pledge to $110. I realize this is just a farce and that Dave is not going to ban ed due to this foolishness, but I do think Mike has hit upon a unique way to let ed know that a number of us do not appreciate his attack on this community...Geo

Quote from you buddy King: Prior to my remarks

"Misfires is bedlam"

I rest my case since you apparently are so dense you can't even read!
Jim

uh geo: what zacky is this attack on this community that you are referrin too?

ok jim, so you don't think misfires is bedlam...

but, then what exactly is misfires supposed to be, in your view?

and here is dave's definition of misfires:

Misfires @ doublegunshop.com - All topics that do not belong in one of the other forums can be placed here: Politics, Gun Rights, Hunting Dogs, Non-Fine Firearms, Non-Firearms etc. Tirades and banters permitted so long as they remain cordial with no profanity, racial slurs and or other aggressive behavior towards groups or individuals. Threats, and or overt aggression and or stupidity will not be tolerated. No pornography or discussions of a sexual nature. In an effort to keep off topic posts out of the primary forums, I will give this forum a fairly wide berth so knock your-self out.
WARNING: I expect at times the material in this forum may become adult in nature and some what controversial. If you find the material offensive don't read it.

Well, it appears that King is either too cheap to make a pledge, or he's coming to the rescue of one of his very few cheerleaders and fellow anti-gunners who pose as gun guys.

And we are once again treated to King using deceit and dishonesty to make a point which steers a thread away from its' subject matter.

King, did you really mean to say that some "misfits" were "last week proselytizing Putin for his politics of exclusion"? Or were you just trying to impress everyone with incorrect usage of big words? Did you perhaps mean to say that some here were praising Putin? I don't think anyone currently here praises Communists except you. But we do have enough sense to recognize that even a thug like Putin is intelligent enough to see threats to his country and its' culture. More than can be said for the current occupant of the White House. But you do twist the truth whenever it's convenient and it helps you make your dishonest points.

Don't put us all in your dishonest "misfits" basket King. We, most of us, are not like you. We don't need to tell lies and bend the truth to make a point. We don't advocate killing innocent unborn babies and defend the lives of convicted killers. We don't pretend to be gun guys while criticizing the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment. We don't respect skimming from the labors of hard working folks and redistributing their hard earned money to slackers. We don't exaggerate our resumes and life experiences in order to lend credence to our dishonesty... and cloak it all under a veil of faux civility.

You're the misfit King. It explains your affinity for ed. But even he was smart enough to see through your deceptive comparison of the election of a U.S. Catholic and allowing one's nation to be overrun with Islamists hell bent on infiltrating and imposing Sharia law.

Dishonesty is not civility King. I don't think I'll be making any pledges to get rid of you. I have too much fun exposing your lies.

keith: sounds like you drink the same cool aid as your buddy sxs. I mean, any discussion regarding restriction of firearms is grounds for you to label someone as an anti gunner who poses as a gun guy. that is a ridiculous attitude and just adds fuel to the fire of those who would label someone like you as a gun nut who needs to be controlled.

I have been a licensed firearms dealer since the 1980's. your accusation that I am an anti gunner who poses to be a gun guy is down right delusional or perhaps a cleaver subterfuge.

it is people like you and sxs, who create anti gun hysteria by scaring people with your irrational attitudes about firearms.

as both of you are undefined here and hence could be anything or anybody, it sometimes seems like you guys are double agents, in the employ of gun control fanatics?

There seems to be close to consensus that the notion of banning Ed is farce and foolishness, as you say---"an absurdly futile proceeding" OED ---emanating from "a bunch of misfits," as Jim accurately described us, or a "ship of fools" Dave wisely placed in an orbit of its own; that's mine.

Dave is arbiter of this valued international board. He reads all the nonsense. I trust his judgement of who and how long members are permitted access. Ed is no more tiresome than most who postulate here, making it a bully pulpit to express their political views.

Rendering decision-making to money or a couple noisy cabals is only more of the democratic process that informed publics everywhere have grown to resent. I've never thought of Ed as attacking our community. Maybe a bit lonely but not mean or mischievous.

I may be on to something here... have noticed over the years that the same few members seem to consistently attack our president and his party here. and if it aint ob or the dems that they are rantin and ravin about, then its the gun control thing...now you aint gotta be a rocket scientist to figure out that 99, plus percent of those who participate here are of the conservative political persuasion...so, why do these few keep spewing their venom here? I mean, we got it. we agree that ob is bad news, as is much of what the dems advocate. so why keep telling us the same old stuff? could it be that these guys are actually dem operatives, who come here to fan the flames of discontent? are they subversives trying to keep our anger levels at a high pitch, hoping that we will say or do something that can be used to the advantage of the dems?

I continue to ask: who are these members and what are they? and what are their motives...really?

Uh King:
You're the one who labeled us "Misfits" NOT me.(see above) I just used your term as a talking point.
Frankly I'm as mainstream American as 5 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices and well understand the difference between right and wrong.

following it to the logical conclusion and ed good/ed lander should disappear.yes, yes, its a military industrial complex diabolical plot to find ed lander.or maybe to subvert the misfire section hmmmmmmmmm

However you cut it, another of your beliefs now is on record that four of your Supreme Court judges are not mainstream Americans, and unlike yourself apparently don't know right from wrong because they don't share your opinions.

By your measure, the American majority of citizens don't know right from wrong either. Idiots I think is your word for them and the president because they don't think the same as you. A conservative government would magically make the majority wise beyond words!

Obama is considered the most cerebral and eloquent American leader in a generation. Those attributes alone don't make a great president. He is a disappointment to me. With the GOP still not able to determine what it is, knowing what he represents seems more preferable to me.

Who considers Obama the most cerebral American leader in a generation?
Having the gift for gab (with a telepromter ) does not a cerebral leader make.
For someone who you anoint as the most cerebral leader in a generation, watch him when he speaks off the cuff.

For someone who you anoint as the most cerebral leader in a generation, and a supposed Outstanding constitutional scholar, he has crashed and burned in the Supreme Court now 13 times.
and the list goes on and on, for the most cerebral leader in a generation.

I don't think of participants as 99 per cent conservative, Ed. Americans generally share same values, conservatives and liberals. What skews perspective are those on the extreme edges. That's common to everything. The wilder ones at meetings are a delight to watch but come the vote reason usually prevails.

The peculiarity is drum-beating on gun rights, not that freedoms are diminishing at an astonishing rate in all other areas because of fears concerning public safety. Americans didn't say no way, no more when the Patriot Act allowed government to root into every human activity.

Everyone here, as you say, is for gun rights. We wouldn't be here otherwise. A call for greater vigilance and active participation to slow tightening of restrictions is common sense. A few members have chosen, however, to negate the citizenship and character of those who don't share their opinions.

mc earlier mused delightfully of a military-industrial complex---we need more humour, thanks---but I thought of how elegantly and strategically that those on the fringe have laboured mightily to divide us, a fifth column in service of the gun-grabbers.

Keeping our guns and fraternity together is more important than partisan politics.

[quote=King Brown]However you cut it, another of your beliefs now is on record that four of your Supreme Court judges are not mainstream Americans, and unlike yourself apparently don't know right from wrong because they don't share your opinions.
Response:
They are definitely NOT mainstream Americans and are attempting to legislate from the bench with the purpose of circumventing the U S Constitution. And you can quote me on this anywhere you want!

By your measure, the American majority of citizens don't know right from wrong either. Idiots I think is your word for them and the president because they don't think the same as you. A conservative government would magically make the majority wise beyond words!

Response:
Unfortunately the majority does now and they should have known 2 years ago. Obamas approval rating is in the toilet where it belongs.

Obama is considered the most cerebral and eloquent American leader in a generation. Those attributes alone don't make a great president. He is a disappointment to me. With the GOP still not able to determine what it is, knowing what he represents seems more preferable to me. [/quote[/i]

Response:
"cerebral" Did they legalize drugs where you live? This is that same idiot that claimed , among other things, that we have 57 States.
He may be a disappointment to you but you don't live here and he's a disaster to the majority of us.

Maybe on a place like MisFires, we're all just vermin or some other such, but what about bo. What does he think of the Supreme Court. Do we know. Seems like they're useful idiots to him, bashed in a 'state of the union' while a couple members sit in the audience, backflip praise when ocare is contorted into law, misogynistic teen aged spin demonizing of the choice given to all women under the 'hobby lobby' decision. Does bo want them to uphold their oath and do their job, or does he want left wing legislating from the bench.

'Cerebral' and 'knowing what he represents', are you sure. Does he campaign on facts and issue or on emotion. Important because he never seems to be out of campaign mode.

Please if you would, sum up bo's policy. Would you have a notion or two on the facts that he turns to for decisions and what do you 'know' about his goals. You must have clarity because you mentioned disappointment. It's not a box of chocolates, is it.

That may well be because three of the four dingbats out of touch with the American mainstream are females- one never tried a case before O-Bammy yo Mammy nominated her- the next dingy broad speaks fairly good Spanish, so of course that is a high point of qualification in our "dual-language oriented America of today"--and the last one, who should have retired at the same time Sandra Day O'Connor did, follows in the footsteps of both Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter- At least Sandy O'Connor (good Irish surname, ey?)knows how to fly fish and ride horseback-- and what Irish Republican nominated her, wonder I-- Ronnie "Death Valley Days" Reagan perhaps? See a connection here, gang??? The only Justice I trust is Scalia--

Similar references are common, Brian. I never thought of him as a constitutional lawyer, outstanding or otherwise. He gave his reasons for pulling back from overseas adventures and has laboured with public support to bring troops home, particularly with your own experience, what, five time re-deploying? As for speaking off the cuff, it's common advice from handlers to the eloquent for effect on particular occasions. Stentorian tones for others. Just for the fun of it, who do you consider the most eloquent or cerebral in the last generation?

King, your last sentence above is 100% wrong!. With friends like you and ed, who needs enemies?

Just about everything else you've said this morning is lies. You twist the living hell out of what Jim said about our four extreme Liberal Supreme Court Justices. They are not mainstream and they do not operate as their job description requires. They continually see things in the Constitution which are not there, and attempt to subvert the clear intent of the Framers on subjects such as guns, religion, and abortion.

To call Obama Cerebral and eloquent is stupidity. To attempt to convince us that the majority of Americans agree with that is dishonest. Brian laid it out for you. Obama is a stumblebum without a teleprompter, he knows nothing until he sees it on the news, he is reactive rather than proactive... and his reactions are generally wrong. His dismal approval ratings are only as high as they are because of Libtard idiots like you who would rather see the country go down in flames than admit that their first black (mulatto) president was a dismal failure.

Again King, we're not the same here in Misfires. You and ed are among a small handful of "Misfits" who think it's OK to come on to a firearms forum and suggest infringements on our gun rights. You King, are the liar who LULLS gun owners into thinking there is no legitimate threat to our gun rights. You frequently bash the methods of the NRA, and suggest they follow your own failed solutions. You can't defend your character because you have lied about your position on our 2nd Amendment rights and a thousand other things. You are not like us at all King. You are really kind of creepy, and dishonest right down to your marrow.

Of course you would think it mean and mischievious to have that all pointed out. Too bad. Maybe you and ed should go somewhere nicer where you could both lie and spew Libtard bullshit and stroke each other.

Ah, craig, thinking is hard work. Have a heart! I think Obama's legacy will be as a pretty good president for hard times, perhaps in the top third. Maybe even higher, considering disentangling from overseas, The Great Recession, extending healthcare and redistribution to slow inequality, environmental measures that put Canada to shame, dysfunctional governance unpopular with two of three Americans, and now using executive orders to stamp his brand on America. Politicians in high office get one kick at the cat: they either can go along to seek reelection or try to make the best social legislation in generations---and take their chances for a reputable legacy. Obama chose the latter. Two Canadian leaders in the last 60 years took the chance, and came out at the top in public respect. I prefer doers to those who oppose change.

Ah craig, see how King tries to bury that which is unflattering to him? TTT

but, again, maybe we are dealing with an ISIS cell here...

you know, ISIS could also mean: Infinitely Subtle Internet Subversives?

hope homeland security is watchin an listenin...

Religious Freedom Act 1993:

This law reinstated the Sherbert Test, which was set forth by Sherbert v. Verner, and Wisconsin v. Yoder, mandating that strict scrutiny be used when determining whether the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, guaranteeing religious freedom, has been violated. In the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, Congress states in its findings that a religiously neutral law can burden a religion just as much as one that was intended to interfere with religion;[1] therefore the Act states that the �Government shall not substantially burden a person�s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability.�[3] The law provided an exception if two conditions are both met. First, the burden must be necessary for the �furtherance of a compelling government interest.�[3] Under strict scrutiny, a government interest is compelling when it is more than routine and does more than simply improve government efficiency. A compelling interest relates directly with core constitutional issues.[4] The second condition is that the rule must be the least restrictive way in which to further the government interest.

This is the federal legislation that 4 of the 9 Supreme Court Justices chose to ignore in the Holly Lobby verdict. When I made the statement that they are not mainstream and attempting to legislate to their own agenda from the bench here is just one instance for my opinion.
All 4 of them should be impeached and tossed out on their ears.

Ironically The RFA was signed by none other than Bill Clinton whose wife is now bitching about the Holly Lobby decision.

"The ruling that closely held corporations can deny birth control coverage to their employees on religious grounds, she said, is �a really bad slippery slope.�

Hillary Clinton

wait a minute, you guys? are getting off track again...

this thread is supposed to be about me...

as algore said: its about me...what about me, me, me?

The only thing we can all do is wish in retrospect that your parents weren't religious.

or how about this:

Idiotically Stupid Internet Stalkers...

yeah, ah lik dat won bet ta.

ed, you're so right. It was your buddy King who took this thread off topic as he very frequently does.

King says Dave reads all threads and will never ban you for money. King frequently talks as if he is inside Dave's head and knows what he's thinking. King is the one guy who Dave has had to moniter because he kept trashing the Second Amendment Informational Thread on the main DoubleGun forum last year. In short, I doubt if King has Dave's ear, or will ever be much of an influence upon him.

I say that since he has temporarily booted your a$$ for no money, a little financial incentive for a permanent fix is worth a try. Really ed, are you any different than spam, bots, or viruses?

or this one:

Inter Space Introverted Sociopaths

OK...put me down for 20 bucks....well worth the price if I never have to see Ed's idiotic babbling again.

Quoting keith again here so King doesn't have an excuse for not reading it.

Oh no, not the dreaded foregone conclusion. If there's an end goal, wouldn't the wise push to get there quicker. If the right will be lost anyway, why not solidify gay rights, free contraceptives and maybe more solar panels instead of a slow death with nothing to show it. Disappointing, why did you bother to help reverse your long gun registry. Spinning wheels, or window dressing to pacify.

I can't recall any clear foreign policy agenda, can you. The troops, wink, maybe are home. Could it be you meant that he labors with inconvenient press coverage. Shouldn't the eloquent be given a chance to talk isis back into their caves. What does he cair, if world news can take the eye off the domestic dropped ball.

I will not support drive to ban Ed, but I would be willing to support eliminating Misfires @ doublegunshop.com.

That's OK because Dave can't use Rubles or whatever the unit of currency in W Kniei is.

W kniei. Program cony tematyce owieckiej. Dzi prezentujemy pa stwu egzamin strzelecki na przysz ych my liwych. Zapraszamy do obejrzenia nowego odcinka naszego programu

You betcha.

Yep:
Just like Obama would like to shut down FOX News. Jager is an example of a true Libtard.

Right Jim. We are just supporting Dave's "right to choose" to abort ed.



If integrity had anything to do with anything, King Brown would not favor aborting innocent unborn babies and saving the lives of convicted killers. But he does.

do ISIS lerk here?

Yah= You betcha you dupa!!!

No, Ed- but maybe, just maybe, they LURK here--

i don't support giving ED GOOD the boot but that sonofabitch ed ladner has to go.

foxie: no,no, not lurk, but lerk...a derivative of jerk.

You wouldn't be corrupted, though, by "making a deal" to buy Dave's integrity? The notion that money can buy anything. What an insult!

mc: you pretty liberal wid da insults to motherhood aint ya? I would be more careful if I were you...I don't know no ed ladner, but then neither do you?

It's not corrupting of anyone's integrity to banish someone who desecrates old doubles and posts gibberish from participating on a Double Gun website. No more than it would be to banish an anti-Second Amendment Liberal Socialist troll posing as a gun guy. Or is that what you're afraid of King?

mc, it sounds like you struck a nerve with ed, but it's old Ed Lander, not Ladner, who gets the blame or credit for torch coloring ed goods guns.

ed won't give us contact information for old Ed Lander so that we can confirm that. Too bad. Maybe old Ed Lander would like to make a pledge to permanently ban ed as well.

If everyone would simply ignore any posting by E. G. it would be as effective as banning him. No one has to read his posts or comments or reply in any way to them so don't do it.
"If you don't throw the ball back, the game's over."

Not that hard to find contact info. Took me about eight seconds. Don't know if the contact info is any good, but it's on the interweb thingy, so it must be accurate.

E A Lander Arms Company
4 Grafton Road
Alexandria, NH 03222
Phone: (603) 744-6512

should any of you decide to call and harass old ed, please be aware that he is 88 years old and just lost his wife of 68 years...and remember, what goes around comes around.

King
you did not answer my question. you evaded it. you talked around it.

You stated � Obama is considered the most cerebral and eloquent American leader in a generation.�
I asked you who considers Obama the most cerebral American leader in a generation?
You respond not by answering a simple question but by asking me �Just for the fun of it, who do you consider the most eloquent or cerebral in the last generation�?

You further state �I think Obama's legacy will be as a pretty good president for hard times, perhaps in the top third. Maybe even higher�. Compared to who? Jimmy carter wakes up every day now with a smile on his face. There is no one in the media that I have heard proclaiming that, liberal or conservative since the shine went off his apple with Obamacare, Bowe Bergdahl,
You then respond with �Similar references are common, Brian.� Really? I haven�t seen him described by anyone in the mainstream media as being the most cerebral or sharpest president , now or in the last 4 or 5 years after the novelty of a Black President wore off. I do remember him being described as a clean erson by one of your fellow travelers. And the LA Times ( a liberal rag) labeled him Barack The Majic Negro). Quite the contrary. He is most often spoken of as being a �good talker�. ( read that as snake oil salesman) . Who lies with aplomb and conviction ; If you like your health care you can keep your health care� If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor� when in fact he knew 2 years prior that that was not true yet perpetuated the lie over and over.

You stated " I never thought of him as a constitutional lawyer, outstanding or otherwise. Really, part of his claim to fame is teaching constitutional law. That infers that one is an expert on constitutional law. I guess not and he has proven that time and again. He claims to have taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for a number of years.
You stated �He gave his reasons for pulling back from overseas adventures and has labored with public support to bring troops home�. Really. It took him over two years to suspend combat operations in Iraq. Yes, we are back with more �advisors� and soldiers to protect those advisors. And he closed GITMO like he said he would ;oh wait, he didn�t. And we are still in Afghanistan and the level of casualties and deaths increased drastically under his administration compared to Bush.
And then you mention my 5 deployments. I have no idea what that has to do with this discussion or Obama.

You state � As for speaking off the cuff, it's common advice from handlers to the eloquent for effect on particular occasions. Stentorian tones for others. � I never spoke of his tone while speaking. I was referring to his stumbling and bumbling and stuttering and poor presentation when there is no teleprompter in front of him.
The technique normally used by those who want to evade answering a question is to respond with a question or an ad hominem attack.

So, getting back to my question, can you answer it without deflection. It was a simple straight forward question about a statement you made. Please cite who/where it was declared that he is the most cerebral president in a generation.

Brian:
Don't hold you breath awaiting a direct answer to you question. Past experience on the part of many of us can assure you it won't be forthcoming.
Jim

Jim, my answer to Brian is in the first sentence post 371040 Page 5 within a half-hour of Brian posting his question, plus my view of Brian's second-point about Obama's extemporaneous/teleprompter deliveries.

Attaching eloquent/cerebral to Obama is common, including recently in Maclean's, Canada's most popular national magazine. Question answered succinctly with alacrity, sourced, ship-shape in military fashion for Brian.

Your conjecture again is faulty. Ease up on your hand-wringing apoplectic rhetoric. The United States isn't going to hell. Americans won't let it happen.

and guys, in the real world where results count more than rhetoric, ob is our twice elected pres...he did not get where he is and stay there without the talent to do so...

Or the majority of Americans who preferred him to what the GOP had to offer. I'm beholden, too. Last time he filled the College so quickly I was in bed before 11.

Yeah, but we have buyer's remorse. This is from today's Wall Street Journal: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/07/02/poll-suggests-a-reprieve-for-romney/?mod=wsj_nview_latest

"A national Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday found that 45% of registered voters say the U.S. would be better off today had Mr. Romney won the 2012 presidential election. Conversely, 38% say America is better off today than it would be had Mr. Romney prevailed."

Here is the poll the WSJ articles references:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-event...?ReleaseID=2056

Thanks for that, Mike. Reputable sources. Polls indicate temperature. It wouldn't surprise me if Romney got the nod again. He is a decent man from all accounts. His Achille's heel last time was not appearing to know what he stood for. An easy fix if he's not pulled in every direction. I'd be delighted if the chosen has a strong mandate.

Well Brian, you got the where... a Liberal Canadian magazine of all things. But not the who... not that it matters, because there are a plethora of Libtards who still pee their pants like an over-excited puppy at the mere thought of Obama. King is one of them.

But welcome to our world of debate with the Burger King (Home of the Whoppers), where lies, deception, and the Dance of the Gnomoron (that's an evasive maneuver Libtards utilize to dance around or away from a tough question) are King's modus operandi.

Here's a link to a Poll that came out today which ranked Obama the worst president since WWII. Jimmy Carter is smiling today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...g-new-poll.html

Oh, King still will not even broach the subject of widespread voter fraud in the last two presidential elections. In spite of North Carolina voting machines that registered Romney selections for Obama, Univ. of Wisconsin students hacking into electronic voting machines, many voting precincts showing more than 100% of registered voters voting, dead and infirm Democrats voting en mass, and Hamilton County, Ohio Board of Election workers admitting to voting for Obama multiple times. The ends justify the means to King and most other Libtards. Just repeat a lie often enough and it becomes accepted as true.

Lies and dishonesty are just part of the game. Now you too are mean and uncivil, just for having the temerity to ask King the questions. Did you notice King's response to Jim yesterday where he found a loophole in the oath of office that says Obama will preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution to the "BEST of HIS ABILITY". And this is his "BEST", at least in his mind... so it's OK. It bears repeating so I found it and place it here in the Burger King's own words, from post #371140:



How utterly disgusting and childish. This is like, "You crossed your heart, and hoped to die"... but wait... "That don't count 'cause I had my fingers crossed behind my back." Except this shit is coming from an 80+ year old man.

Romney does appear to be a decent man...perhaps too decent for the job?

King ,
I must be blind. Please guide me to your answer to my question that you said appears in your first sentence within half an hour of my posting on page 5.

With all the incoming, it's a wonder we can find anything. I had to scratch around to find it myself: Your question is on Page 5 #371032, followed by posts from me, Jim, craig, Fox and then my answer #371040 to you, starting "Similar references are common, Brian."

Although I can't think of a more cerebral or eloquent president than Obama in the last generation---some a bit of each but not both, maybe, and Clinton impressed me with his familiarity with what seemed all the files---those attributes don't necessarily make a good or great president.

A silver tongue and brains to burn may work in the military with regulations and rigid discipline to back them up, but from my experience in public affairs it takes exceptional staff and very sophisticated social skills to make things work. Ike is the general I admire most because he had it all.

King,
There is nothing there that answers my question of you.
Again, I ask who you are referring to with this statement.
� Obama is considered the most cerebral and eloquent American leader in a generation.�
This statement infers that this is a commonly held consensus which has nothing to support it. I only asked from where does this observation come from? Who holds and promulgates this belief.
Your response to me I in a subsequent post does not answer that question in any way. Are you actually saying that you consider him the most cerebral? If so, say so. But a broad statement like this indicates a general consensus wherein the majority supports the belief. It is a declarative statement, not an observation or opinion. There is noting that couches the statement to clarify or put in context so there lies my inquiry.
Who believes, supports and publicizes this belief; Names????
I am asking for an honest answer so I can look at these sources and see what they base this fantasy on.

Hypothetical, say you get drift that al sharpton is headed up to NS to shake down the forestry industry. Everyone pow wows and says King, pick a dream team of support staffers, the best of the best, and meet with al and see what he wants. You have a teem of twenty of the best, brightest and socially accomplished WHITE GUYS, and the meeting is set for tomorrow.

Ole al shows up alone. Seems his staff was out drinking the night before and slept in. Question, do you have a snow balls chance in....