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That may aide to date it. If the author is correct & if I read it correctly, Simon Heurtier founded S.H. & Cie in 1930 after the death of his brother, in St�phanois/St. Etienne?

"La qualit� HEURTIER est un Nom et un Renom de R�f�rence dans la Canonnerie St�phanoise et dans la fabrication d'Armes de Canons et de Chasses et ce depuis le XIX si�cle. Puis de nouveau d�s 1930 lorsque Simon HEURTIER fonda sa Soci�t� "S.H & Cie" suite au d�c�s de son fr�re. La canonnerie Heurtier � disparue depuis comme beaucoup d'Armuriers St�phanois mais les fabrications et Canonneries de qualit�s sont encore dans nos mains et pour notre plaisir et passion de la chasse."

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Raimey
rse

A sidebar on the concern Clement & Gladiator Bicycle Boys(Gar�ons)(C. G & Cie):




Treble Trial Steel




"je crois savoir que le marquage C.G & cie �mane de la soci�t� fran�aise de cycles fond�e par Cl�ment et Gladiator sp�cialis�e dans les armes de guerre et de chasse au Pr� St Germain en Seine St Denis ,76 grande Rue . Cette marque a �t� d�pos�e en 1916 le 2 f�vrier et active jusqu'apr�s 1947 . Ils utilisaient soitdes canons heurtier soit des canons Belges en acier sp�cial Treble trial Stell import� d'Autriche je crois me rappeler .Ces canons Belges �taient export�s par la fabrique Belge "The Liege United Arms C� LTD depuis 1923 et nomm�e par la suite en 1946 FAL et puis F:A:U:L pour fabrique d'armes de liege et fabrique d'armes unie de Liege qui pr�s �prouvaient les canons destin�s a l'export .Cette pratique �tait utilis�e dans la p�riode sombre des ann�es 1939/45 et apr�s suite l'occupation car la France manquait de produits armuriers."



Are those intertwined VC letters those of V-C & if so is that a trademark & what does it represent?

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Raimey
rse

Your French translation is correct, Raimey. Per the author of that bit of text, it'd have to be a post-1930 gun.

Re the intertwined VC, that is a V-C trademark. It's shown on the first page of their 1922 catalog, albeit in a circle rather than exactly as it appears on the flats of that gun. Assume it stands for Verney-Carron. One of several trademarks they show on that page, the others being: VERCAR, Colonial (in script), Helice Grip, and HelicoBloc. All listed as registered trademarks.

Thanks Mr. Brown for the verification. It would seem that from the above one could extract or the take-away would be that if you have a double with the Simon Heurtier encircled S.H. & Cie stamp that there's a pretty good probability that the raw forgings were sourced from a Belgian tube maker. I'll have to see how many examples I can locate and how the numbers actually play out.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

another interesting thing about this gun is that it weighs just six pounds, with 27 1/2" tubes. so how did they do that i ask? by making the barrels paper thin? well, the barrels measure .045 seven inches down from the muzzles and .100 in front of the chambers. this is well within my gunsmiths standard for safe shooting. so, once again I ask: how did they do that and why cant we do that now?

Interesting. In one of the photos, the barrels are clearly marked as S.H. & Cie--followed by St. Etienne. Wonder if they had an operation there as well as Liege.

First similar thread I noticed:



On the Helice Elite BT� SGDG toplever, does the Mono-D�tente, BF in a rhombus, BT� SGDG describe the "stop" as we've come to know it?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

D�tente, referring to guns in French, usually means trigger. Is that by any chance a single trigger gun? My guess is that refers to a patent on a single trigger.

No, in this case of a French sporting weapon it wouldn't refer to the triggers as there are two:



Considering the forced translation of D�tente(relax, etc.) and it is applied to the toplever, it would be centered around the state of it. I think it to be akin to a ball detent, either in a relaxed state or engaged.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
is it possible, that the first trigger functions for both barrels?
MONO-DETENTE clearly means single trigger, I think.

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Gunwolf