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I came across a German drilling gun, with two shotgun barrels on top and a rifled barrel underneath. It has a golden "GE CO" in front of the toplever pin. Folded rear poop sight and a triangular front sight. Have some pictures available. Cannot lay my hands on it. Would appreciate for any information on the manufacturer and model.
I am new here and do not khow how to enter an image.
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Forward the images to me & I'll gladly post them for you. GECO is an acronym for Gustav(e) Genschow Company, who sourced their wares.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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It's a Kerner-Anson variant with some nice stock work. Yes the pin atop the frame is a cocking indicator for the rifle tube. The scattergun tubes have blade type indicators on the sides. Would need to see the flats & frame stamps to point toward a maker.
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I am very grateful for your prompt and informative reply. Well, next I need to contact the curator of the Museum where the shotgun is exhibited. There are several other shotguns on display. Would appreciate it if you provide information on the following: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_3ec4d3090101fmcv.htmlThe most curious thing about this shotgun is that it bears HOLLAND HOLLAND on its right sideplate (cannot see left side) but H&H confirmed me that it is definitely not their product.
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The sporting weapon with the H&H is actually German and utilizes Holland & Holland style locks, that is if it is a sidelock as it actually looks like a sideplate. The SuS is a monogram for J.P. Sauer & Sohn, but I'd need to see the marks in full to say if it originated at the Sauer facility. Some could have just applied a Sauer & Sohn butt-plate. I am curious of this display at the Museum. Is it a repository, just a safe place to house them or is is required by law?
Forgot to note that the interlocked 3 Ringe Trademark is that of Krupp's Weapons Grade Steel that was an exclusive mark applied and allowed by J.P. Sauer & Sohn, being the only source for that tube steel.
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 Edgar Strempel 1955 example I'm not sure if it points to him or not, but post WWII some examples of Edgar Strempel of Suhl wear the Orig. Holland-Holland stamp on the locks. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Thank you very much for so useful information. Armed with your points, I have to get back to the shotgun again to look for other feathers that I have overlooked.
For this shotgun I can see vaguely a third fastner. It does not look like a Greene's crossbolt. I wonder if it is a Doll's head or Scott's crossbolt?
Both drilling and Holland Holland shotgus are exhibited at the Beijing Police Museum. There are other shotguns displayed there, foe example, a semiautomatic shotgun with Belgian proof marks on it. The former owners are all government and military high officials. I wonder if you would be so kind as to look at them?
With best wishes,
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 The Edgar Strempel Suhl example may have a hidden crossbolt but my 1st guess would be a Purdey nose. I do not think that a Doll's head fastner to be present. Another tid-bit of info is that this Edgar Strempel 2 tubeset, has a GECO butt-pad. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Found an image. So this 1955 Edgar Strempel with a GECO butt-plate and some Cyrillic word does have a hidden Greener crossbolt. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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