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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
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Maybe big jugs have a transformative appeal to most guys. Okay, I'll crawl back under my rock.


You'll have a lot of company under the rock...


Best,
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King Brown won't be there. He's too busy with his real day job... sitting at the computer attempting to undermine our gun rights and advancing Socialism.


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Harry Reid - another Libtard POS!

How ironic. We have a Muslim wacko in the military who kills fellow servicemen in the name of Allah and the idiot occupying the White House and his cohorts refuses to label him a terrorist. You have normal Americans standing up for what they believe is heavy handed government intervention and they are labeled "domestic terrorists"**.
Go figure!

**Harry Reid specifically made this comment.


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Originally Posted By: italiansxs
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Jim,I didn't ignore anything. I asked earlier if other militias joined the protest, and with no answer I asked for a definition of a militia after your post militia in the singular because it appeared to differ from ours---citizen soldiers, reserves.

Now, you have informed me it's a group of people getting together "as a militia." A common definition for militia, according to OED is "a military force, a civilian army," which is closer to my understanding of the word. A group of people getting together could be anything, eh?

Praying is not anathema to me, Jim. Remember Jesus's injunction to judge not? I pray every day.





So ok you want to nitpick:

Here's 3 common definitions of militia:

1. An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers.

2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency.

3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

Pick whichever one you like.


actually Title 10 of the US Code spells out the definition of Militia; the organized and the unorganized militia as it relates to us. Very clearly defined.

10 U.S.C. § 311 : US Code - Section 311: Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/10/A/I/13/311#sthash.gMcAPaq7.dpuf

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and seeing how I was used as a reference in this string by King earlier in the conversation, Ill weigh in on the age/gray hair/capability comments.
I have gray hair! and at age 55 when I started my last 1 year combat deployment to Afghanistan, I wasn't considered too old by Uncle Sam and the Big green Machine. He was perfectly happy to send my gray haired, stiff jointed, crotchety ass over there. so if I can be like that and serve in the organized military, then by extension, I should be able to serve in an unorganized militia even with gray hair.

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Originally Posted By: Brian
and seeing how I was used as a reference in this string by King earlier in the conversation, Ill weigh in on the age/gray hair/capability comments.
I have gray hair! and at age 55 when I started my last 1 year combat deployment to Afghanistan, I wasn't considered o old by Uncle Sam. he was perfectly happy to send my gray haired, stiff jointed, crotchety ass over there. so if I can be like that and serve in the organized military, then by extension, I should be able to serve in an unorganized militia even with gray hair.



I couldn't agree more Brian and I intend to remain active as a member of the unorganized militia until that is no longer physically possible.
Believe me I'm on the far side of 55 but I was still able to pass the competency test for active carry at my gun club the last time I took it. I was told it's the same pistol qualification test used for some SWAT teams and it's very demanding.
Jim

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The U S Constitution on Federal Land Ownership Article I Section 8:


"Perhaps the most important factor in the escalating showdown, though, is the U.S. Constitution — the contract whereby state governments delegated certain limited powers to the federal government. In Article I, Section 8, the American people, acting through their sovereign states, granted this authority to their agent: “To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings.”

In other words, the federal government’s purported claims of jurisdiction over an estimated one-third of America’s landmass are brazenly unconstitutional. Whether federal courts are willing to concede that should be irrelevant — the language of the Constitution is clear, and there is no need for "interpretation" by federal supremacists in the federal judiciary. "

I had the opportunity to bring up the above last evening with Rep David Schweikert(R,AZ) and Rep Darrell Issa(R,CA) on an online forum I was invited to participate in. They both agreed that this is a real issue that will be addressed as the Western States have already begun the process of rolling back the unconstitutional Federal abuse in this area.
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Well Jim I for one hope that movement dies before it gets any traction. As someone who lives within the boundaries of the National Forest and spends lots of time hunting on public land, I do not want to see our Federal Government sell off these recreational lands. Privatizing public lands will only escalate the trend of decreasing hunter participation. Our country needs places for the average man to go and chase the wild things and you can still do that here. It is why this guy that was raised back east moved out west.

Oh and as to the link posted above by nca225, it is hard to believe people are still ignorant enough to speak that way in any setting let alone public. Sort brings to mind the title of that movie, how to loose friends and alienate people.......


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I for one am not interested in our lands that are now illegally held under Federal Government control being sold off as private lands.
My interest is in seeing the respective States exercise their Constitutional rights and that these lands illegally seized by the Federal Government be returned to them. I can only speak for my own State of Arizona and the land currently under their control has been well managed.
The States have been under the thumb of the Federal Government since the socialist Roosevelt Administration and it's high time we took back control over our own destiny.
This movement doesn't need to die; it needs in fact to pick up traction if we are ever to get back to some semblance of Constitutional Rights in this Country.
The Western States are already meeting for just this purpose. If there has been any good that's come out of the oppressive and corrupt Obama administration it's been the re-awakening of State's rights.
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Oh and as to the link posted above by nca225, it is hard to believe people are still ignorant enough to speak that way in any setting let alone public. Sort brings to mind the title of that movie, how to loose friends and alienate people.......


It was pretty bad what Mr. Bundy had to say about blacks perhaps being better off as slaves than as dependants on the Democrat Plantation which uses them, and abuses them, and plays them for fools for their own selfish agenda. Of course, the race hustlers will try to paint anyone who supported Bundy's stand against excessive government enforcement with the broad racist brush.

It was interesting that FOX NEWS replayed Mr. Bundy's comments in their entirety, and then lambasted them. Fair and balanced, I guess. Something we sure didn't see from NBC, MSNBC, etc., after Martin Bashir made his vile misogynist remarks about Sarah Palin, or even Rev. Al Sharpton's disgusting remarks about Colin Powell being a "House Negro", or when Sharpton defended an XM radio show routine about raping Condoleeza Rice (and raping Laura Bush to death). Or how about the Rev. Jesse Jackson's admission that he spit in white peoples food when he worked as a waiter in New York. And golly gee whiz, no links from nca225 to any of those faux pas??? Go figure.

Well, here's 20 Great Moments in Liberal Bigotry. LBJ's was especially nice!

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/20-great-moments-in-liberal-bigotry

How about some more? Looks like Clive Bundy's comments were small potatoes compared to many leading Democrats!

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/quotes-from-democrats-on-race-anti-semitism/

But Bundy's comment wasn't near as bad as what that slimy cowardly piece of shit nca225 said about my daughters right here in Misfires last year. And what he reiterated about a month ago. Of course, he also revealed his true feelings last year after the Heller decision when he said that the Militia of the Second Amendment is obsolete, and he supported some of the same anti-gun measures that his Idol Obama was advancing.

nca225... Socialist, liberal, anti-gun troll... and filthier than anything in Clive Bundy's heart... or colon.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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