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Jim, you mention militia, singular. Was there more than one militia, that is, as an organized group, or is a militia comprised of protestors joining together to right a perceived wrong? Militia hereabouts is civilian soldiers.

Stan, with all due respect, I have the inalienable right to defend myself simply by being alive on this earth.

If I believe in God it follows that God gave me that right, by His involvement in my creation. At the same time, if I don't believe in God, I have that natural right, as do all animals. It's the nature of life on Earth.

The fact that the US Constitution describes those rights as "God given" doesn't, in itself, make that statement true. If it were true, it would be because of God, not because of what the authors of your constitution wrote.

And if it is not true, then it's just not true.

You don't need to be a believer to have rights that existed before government was invented.

I'm one of those, although I have ancestors who died on both sides of the argument.

Did you know that what now is the Unites States fought more Wars with what is now Canada than any other Country ?

And now we are good friends.

Stan and Canvasback, it is hard to know what King believes or does not believe, because he is all over the map, and will say anything whether it's true or not in order to make a point. Here's our Athiest, from a recent thread, once again using Christ's name in order to try to guilt Jim into accepting his ridiculous Socialist position.



In the recent "Arming the Iranians" thread, we were treated to seeing King really open up and reveal just how much he disagrees with our 2nd Amendment and how he looks at gun ownership in the U.S.

It is just hard to not question the motives of a man who claims to be a gun guy, yet has done absolutely nothing to advance the cause of Gun Rights in his own country... and who spends literally hundreds of hours attempting to LULL U.S. gun owners into a sense of complacency, and to advance a strategy of proven abject failure in dealing with the anti-gun threat.

There have been numerous infringments upon the 2nd Amendment. There are new threats all the time. In almost every instance, this is directly traceable to Liberal Democrats who were elected by folks just like King. And this situation in Bunkerville Nevada is also traceable to Liberal Democrats also elected by folks like King. One of them, Harry Reid, has vowed that the BLM agents will return. Somewhere in Nova Scotia, I'll bet a certain Athiest is lighting a candle and praying that the rancher and his supporters lose the fight.

Keith, as you likely know, my recent comments has little to do with King or any comment he has made here in this thread but were of more of a philosophical nature on the subject of "God given" rights.

Both you and Stan made the point, admittedly in response to King's posts, that the self defence rights guaranteed by the US Constitution were originally given by God and that as an atheist, King cannot possibly believe in those rights. I was simply pointing out that doesn't necessarily follow.

A quick reiteration of my view of rights: we start with the overarching right, simply because we exist, to do anything we want. Anything! We CHOOSE to give up some aspects of that right in order to live more harmoniously and successfully with others. We allow certain groups (governments) to define those limitations as we also allow them to define those aspects of that right we have chosen not to give up. Occasionally, when we are unhappy with the behaviour of those groups we have ceded some of our rights to (governments) we take them back. This is the history of humankind.

And likely to stay that way for a while.

There are some significant differences between our two countries. I like to dwell on the parts we have in common. Probably the most important is that, when it's all said and done, we are two countries populated entirely by people who felt the need to leave their country of origin, both from persecution and for opportunity, and start fresh. To leave the shit behind and look to the future. I like that!

I see that a little differently, canvasback. You have the ability to defend yourself, but not necessarily the right. Rights are granted, by someone, something. We do not espouse that the Constitution gave us those rights, but that God did, and that the Constitution simply enumerates that fact. You also have the ability to wantonly murder, but you certainly do not have that right.

I agree with your statement "The fact that the US Constitution describes those rights as "God given" doesn't, in itself, make that statement true. If it were true, it would be because of God, not because of what the authors of your constitution wrote." However, just because it is written into the Constitution by men does not necessarily take away from it's credence, either. It is true, because of God, and it is truthful for the framers of the Constitution to say so.

Our only disagreement here is about what the term "rights" means, IMO. It is kinda like the difference between power and authority. Power is the ability to control, authority is the right to enforce control.

All my best, SRH

Harry Reid aka "dirty harry"(one of the most corrupt dems in power),says "Its not over"

Sheriff Richard Mack claims they are planning a raid.

"The executive director of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government warn that Washington�s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was only a move to distract attention and diffuse tensions, because a raid on the family�s ranch still is planned.

Here is a video of the Feds bring in SWAT command trucks.

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2014/04/bundy-ranch-the-test-is-over-2836542.html

On Fox New last night-the only news covering this, had a guy who claimed the slaughter house that was supposed to take the cattle in Utah backed out and wanted no part of it,the BLM contracted with a company for $967k to take Bundy's cattle.


http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/sheriff-feds-strategize-for-raid-on-ranch/#Jy9r79LXXKz7GkTb.99

Stan, just to be clear, in no way am I suggesting that there is any less credence because the authors included a reference to God. I'm suggesting that the lack of belief in God doesn't invalidate the rights. Or the right to the rights.

Lol that sounds a bit goofy but I think you know what I mean.