doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com So, how poorly do 'most' hunters shoot?

So, what some of you guys are saying is that Larry Brown has nothing useful to add to this web site. To that I say Poppycock. Over the years I've read several of his articles and found them useful and informative. His posts here are usually of a factual nature. This throwing of rocks is unbecoming IMO.

On an international board for exchange of information and opinion there's a propensity for Americans to tell others off. From my observations---and I'm no arbiter---non-Americans agree and disagree without rudeness and obscenities exhibited here. Face-to-face, Americans are generous and engaging people.

I don't think we can expect any improvement. The US is a violent country compared to other developed countries. It seems to like to punish, and punish severely i.e. with five per cent of the world's population the US has 25 per cent of its prisoners. One in nine of the 50 states' employees is a penitentiary guard.

Any change will have to wait until Americans start a conversation about why they do what they do. As for Larry, I value his contributions.

So a pissing match between three of the regular and respected posters here in a thread about cartridge selection has now turned into a blanket indictment of my nation by someone from another nation.

I believe there is plenty of political invective, piss-fighting, conservative baiting, and lecturing available down in the MisFires section. I cannot see any need for it in this section or in this thread.

Larry's walk'in the walk in the gun writing world. It's tough though to read about changing some wants and preferences into part of the daily struggle to get through life. I think some of us want to be here to visit and probably don't need to be here. Same as my thought about Stan. I fully agree, but I just hope that's a thought and not some new hunting test that we have to get certified in.

Quick off topic comment from the cheap seats. Hope Larry's not working on an article about how great it would be for the US to join the CIP so we can start proofing all our guns.;)

I think there is something to the positioning of the birds that attract more attention. My first trip to Arkansas was during the 1998 season - unbelievable migration that year. We would have 30 birds come in, 6 guys would shoot, and we all thought we had hit the birds we were trying to shoot. I think we were all shooting at the same 5-6 birds. When you look at a bird, pull the trigger, and the bird falls you tend to think you shot it. I would be certain I had tripled but someone else would be saying they hit some of the same birds. That was all fine and dandy until the dog showed up with a duck band.

Damn fine dog---I never had a dog that was much into music----;)

Back to the initial question. I think most hunters don't shoot that well because they don't shoot often. And that's based on the people I've hunted with over the years and my personal experience. I used to hunt a lot and shoot a little....now I shoot a lot and hunt a little. My game shooting is light years ahead of where it was and most shots seem pretty elementary now whether upland or waterfowl. Practice might not make perfect, but it goes a long way.

I was responding to buzz's "throwing rocks unbecoming," Mike, not a blanket indictment; observed it's a tendency of Americans who on evidence here and Misfires have a tendency to tell people off, rudely and often obscenely. You feel as I do: there's no place for it in either forum.

Threads get long; people lose track. I didn't think how poorly most hunters shoot was related to cartridge selection, but maybe I missed something.

Larry Brown is an absolute idiot and has proven it on this thread. I never paid for a shell until I returned from the Army in 1969. That was because I loaded shells for my gun club from the time I was about 14 years old, load five, keep one. Free shells isn't the only way to become a good game shot. Stan worked for his shells and so did I. I shot as much as I could and became a fair NSSA, NSCA, and NRA International Skeet competitor as well as a fair game shot. What Stan and I both object to is someone who has the means to become a good shot and doesn't bother. My friend KYjon gave us an illustration of a shooter who only takes the shots that he is confident in taking. That is the proper procedure for a shot with limited or diminishing ability. Unfortunately, most game shooters take every shot that presents itself. That is the wrong approach. Every shot taken at a game bird should be a shot within the capability of the shooter and the gun. Anyone can be a fair game shot if they care to be one.