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[quote=King Brown]You're on slippery ice, Ken, when you talk about morality of any kind with the smothering hypocrisy of the way constitutional and international laws are twisted for political ends every day. Look to the First and Second Amendments. Think Snowden and gun rights. There's been flagrant abuse for decades of the First, a travesty, and the Second seems partial to where citizens live.

On your notion of individual freedom and equality, you'd be hard-pressed to get agreement from African-Americans who only began to get some freedom and equality after 200 years from a reluctant government's gunpoint to enforce the Constitution. Please consider also there was nothing sociopathic about your countrymen who threw off their British yoke.

"Subjective morality behind the ideology"? Dear god, Ken. Remember the little black girl at a demonstration against segregated schools in Arkansas? The TV clip that flashed around the world? The girl, about four or five, was asked why she was at the demonstration with her parents. "Fee-dom." And the subjective morality of Iraq and 4,500 dead and counting of America's best?

So, no, there's nothing unconstitutional in Alinsky's teaching disadvantaged citizens how to gain their civil and constitutional rights, nor citizens and the NRA demonstrating forcefully and peacefully to keep them. It's a long American tradition. Gun owners have organized to prevent arbitrary intrusions on their constitutional rights.

(Your "statism" has no meaning here.)

Excellent. You've clearly missed my point. Past constitutional transgressions do not rationalize current ones. It's been the statist method to circumvent the Constitution that is the real issue. In that Alinsky has clearly played a strong role. Merely citing a "Parade of Entitled Victims" is irrelevant. The Issue, again, is the subjective morality of Religious Statism, codified by the soviets in their social science of "Psychopolitics" that has been used by Alinsky and others to circumvent the Constitution and indoctrinate their statist religious beliefs. Your responses are a good example, as they are are very doctrinal, according to the subjective morality of religious statism. Here's the text on Psychopolitics, its really a handbook on how to indoctrinate the unconstitutional, sociopathic, subjective morality and dogma of Religious Statism.

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/brainwsh.shtml


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Originally Posted By: boneheaddoctor
Affirmative action had its time and place....it ended back in the 1960's. Its been used as an excuse to get something without earning it ever since.


Exactly!


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Originally Posted By: Ken61

Excellent. You've clearly missed my point. Past constitutional transgressions do not rationalize current ones. It's been the statist method to circumvent the Constitution that is the real issue. In that Alinsky has clearly played a strong role. Merely citing a "Parade of Entitled Victims" is irrelevant. The Issue, again, is the subjective morality of Religious Statism, codified by the soviets in their social science of "Psychopolitics" that has been used by Alinsky and others to circumvent the Constitution and indoctrinate their statist religious beliefs. Your responses are a good example, as they are are very doctrinal, according to the subjective morality of religious statism. Here's the text on Psychopolitics, its really a handbook on how to indoctrinate the unconstitutional, sociopathic, subjective morality and dogma of Religious Statism.

http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/brainwsh.shtml



Welcome aboard Ken. IMHO an excellent post that goes to the heart of key issues facing us. In both countries a significant failing is a lack of understanding of very key fundamental constitutional and moral issues.

In King's case, my assessment, not shared by all here, is that his personal experience corrupts his conceptual outlook. "I did it so it must work and be good!" The reality is that King's prescription may work well for people like him but, like Karl Marx's theories, fail to take into account the nature of mankind. It is the failing of most of the left's footsoldiers. Their leaders are different though. They just want to run things.


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Great read, actually lots of them on keeping the black (voters) down on the plantation by liberals.
A look at the history of the Dems and Republicans Jim Crow and the KKK:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/b..._paradigms.html

Many blacks erroneously believe the GOP consists of rich racist white people. In reality, the GOP was founded to free blacks. Only five years after slavery, there were black congressmen, all Republicans. The KKK, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and denying blacks the right to vote where all birthed by Democrats.

Even today, Democrats are still "keeping blacks in their place" -- telling them they need lowered standards, affirmative action, special programs, and freebies to succeed. Democrats constantly send blacks the message they are not as smart was whites. For example, Democrats say having to show ID when voting disenfranchises blacks. This is merely a tactic by which the Democrats implement voter fraud.


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The proof, as they say, is in the Pudding.

King Brown is a student of the Saul Alinsky philosophy. So is Bill and Hillary Clinton. Eric Holder, Raum Emanuel, and most of the Obama team. And of course, star pupil Barack Hussein Obama himself. Here, we have a quote from King's and Obama's mentor, Saul Alinsky... as he essentially dedicates his work to Satan...

" Alinsky wrote: “Lest we forget at least an over the shoulder acknowledgement of the very first radical, from all our legends, mythology, and history … the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer.”

I read "Rules for Radicals" a few years ago for the same reasons I often watch MSNBC. You need to know your enemy in order to defeat them. I searched for a brief synopsis that accurately sums up Saul Alinsky's methodology and found this:

http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals

King won't be able to refute this, but he may try ridicule since that is one of the "Rules".

King Brown's resume inflation has been on full display in this thread, and if you look at Rule #1, you begin to understand why.
From "being there" as JFK broke out to become the first Catholic President, to being Martin Luther King's Home Boy, to his own personal involvement and one sided observations of the Civil Rights struggle, I decided to let him take out a lot of line. It wasn't until he made the insane and dishonest comparison between him and the NRA that I decided to set the hook.

Kingsley Brown really did work on racial reforms and tough love Affirmative Action near Antigonish. The problem is, it wasn't our Funny Uncle Kingsley Brown. It was his Dad, Kingsley Ewart Brown, the WWII veteran, bomber pilot, and 3 year German POW who escaped from Stalag Luft 3. Tough, influential, and well connected, he was everything that Little King could never be. It was Dad who worked at nearby St. Francis Xavier University. It was Dad who prodded the local mayor, businessmen and the banker. And it was Dad, born in Toronto, who had the ear of many Canadian political leaders and who was a close personal friend of the President of the Toronto headquarters of the local bank.

Little King was there. He reported on it but little else. It was Dad who got him his first reporting job, after all. And now he is taking full credit for his Dad's good work. He has accused me of "dishonouring" his Dad, and even uses that lie as an excuse to pretend to ignore me. It almost seems a little "Psycho"... like Norman Bates assuming the personality of his mother.

But the ends justify the means, and a little resume inflation, or even a lot, is OK if it garners you the respect and credibility to make your spurious case, even as you ridicule and discredit others. See Rules #2, #3, and #5.

How many of you have seen King play Rule # 4 like a fine fiddle?
You stay strictly on topic while I do as I wish... You provide proof while I ignore your proof... Don't you be mean or mischievious, while I call names in the third person and hurl insults from afar, and lie through my teeth while pleading for civility.

Rules# 6, 7, and 8 speak for themselves, and #8 especially can explain how King can frequently re-invent his original position on many topics where he sees he is losing ground.

Going further down the list, we see the reason and justification for repeated lies and hypocrisy.

But really, for King to have the gall to compare the NRA and its' tactics and goals to those of him and his ilk goes beyond the pale.

The NRA does not tell outright lies to achieve it's goals.

The NRA does not use the First Amendment to undermine the Second Amendment.

The NRA is a single issue organization that believes gun rights are the key to maintaining our freedom from government oppression and the destruction of the rest of the Constitution.

The NRA is not Socialistic or Communist in any way and does not advocate Wealth Redistribution, Affirmative Action, Gun Control, Excessive spending and taxation, and fifty years of repeating failed Great Society policies.

I could go on and on illustrating how the NRA is nothing like King Brown.

Today, I received my credentials for my upgrade to Benefactor Life Member of the NRA. I would burn my membership card and disavow them completely if they ever acted like King Brown.








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Copied the twelfth rule from Glen Beck's webpage that Keith linked to: '

"RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

This is a link to an editorial in the New York Times:
www.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/opinion/the-democrats-stand-up-to-the-kochs.html

Harry Reid made an attack on the Koch Brothers from the floor of the US Senate.

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The New York Times is part of the left wing socialist cabal including NBC,CBS and ABC among others known as the "mainstream news media".
Only the clueless and educated Libtards ,who should know better, pay any attention to them anymore. This is demonstrated in the sharp decline in their ratings and audience numbers.
They're running scared that the Republicans will kick some serious booty come this November hence the tone of that article.
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http://patriotupdate.com/articles/proof-that-obama-is-linked-to-radical-alinsky/

Barack Obama began his Alinsky worship very early in his career. According to a study on Alinsky, “in 1985 Obama began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.”

Obama spent his entire youth taking classes and later teaching workshops on Alinsky’s methods. He worked hard to follow Alinsky’s rule of “blending in”.

True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism,” Alinsky writes. The trick is to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.


Obama also helped fund the The Woods Fund, a nonprofit community-organizing group on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002. On the board with Obama at the Woods Fund was William Ayers, the founder and terrorist of the Weather Underground. The Woods Fund provided funding for yet another community organizing group, Midwest Academy.

Midwest describes itself as ‘one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.’ Like the Woods Fund, the Midwest Academy teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing.

In a July 2008 speech, then-Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his speech in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released teleprompter script and launched into a community organizing lecture:

We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.


Read the rest of this Patriot Update article here: http://patriotupdate.com/articles/proof-that-obama-is-linked-to-radical-alinsky/#OWLDRTWsJCqEXCF7.99


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NEVER let any of the contrarians who post here with the intent to disrupt or muddle the current political situation influence you. Their goal is to make the far left appear "reasonable" and willing to "compromise" if we would only "work" with them.
We are in fact locked in a deadly battle for the very soul and essence of the United States no matter who tells you we have to "compromise" with progressives.(socialists)
Their version of "compromise" can be readily seen in the area of "gun control". The progressives claimed at that time that the passage of the Gun Control Acts of 1968 and then again in 1986 gave the government all the power and authority to regulate firearms that would ever be necessary.
Conservatives along with the NRA caved in here and "compromised" with the socialists thinking that this would be the end of the line on "gun control".
Obama has demonstrated the duplicity of socialists with his "lines"(Syria for example) that just keep moving. This has been the same case with the line on gun control. The socialists demands will end when every firearm has been surrendered and destroyed.
At that point in time since we will be disarmed no capability will remain to protest any and all actions to remove what remaining freedoms we may still have.
If the NRA and the rest of us who value our 2nd Amendment right had heeded the "advice" of the likes of King Brown we would now have Universal Background Checks which is the prelude to Universal Registration and ultimately confiscation.
If you don't believe this look at what's happening in States such as NY and Conn right now where the government has followed this exact blueprint.

It would behoove ALL of you to NEVER forget this Quote from the California socialist Diane Feinstein:

"Discussing why the 1994 act only prohibited the manufacture or import of "assault weapons",*** instead of the possession and sale of them, Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."[29]


***As an additional point: States like California have expanded and convoluted the term "assault weapon" so that at some point in time the only non assault weapons will be cap pistols.

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Two most excellent posts above there, Dave and Jim.

The most important points I got from them was first, Dave's exposure of the "blending in" method. We have seen that on full display here in recent weeks as the radical anti-gun troll nca225 has re-emerged and hoped he could get away with pretending to be just another gun guy who wants nothing more than to engage in civil discussions about Double Guns. We have several of these trolls here who go out of their way to "blend in". They are the foot soldiers of the Progressive movement, and they are here to deceive. There are reasons that spammers attack certain websites and leave others alone. How many times have registrations been suspended here in recent months? Our trolls will cry out, "paranoia", but all have at some point dropped their guard and told us where they really stand on the issue of private firearms ownership in the U.S. Those who try to LULL or convince us that compromise or appeasement is the answer are paving the way for Universal Registration and eventual confiscation. It's hard to say it won't happen when it's happening in New York and Connecticut right now.

Then Jim reminds us of the sheer folly of "reasonable compromise" with those whose sole agenda is to divide us and slowly separate us from our Constitutional Rights. Both nca225 and King have been practicioners of that tactic, and have both done all they could to con us into believing that the most Radical Anti-Gunner to ever hit center stage would not be a threat to us. The friend of your enemy is likely no friend to you.


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