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Hey Dave K., I'd take Kings bet, and make the wager a big one... because even under the most rosy scenario, over 30 million will still be uninsured after the full implementation of ObamaCare.

Leaving 10% of the population out of the mix, hardly qualifies as Universal Anything.

But even when the terms of the wager show you've won, I wouldn't ever expect King to pay up.

Instead, he'll come back here crowing about how he was right and you were wrong... just like he did about the massive assault on our gun rights after Newtown. I'd just like someone to show me even once where King has ever been man enough to admit that he was wrong about anything.

I will Keith,

its amazing how he wants to ram socialized medicine down Americans throats when the MAJORITY don't want it !Obamacare is a massive failure and falling apart. After all the waivers and delays (the largest will put off the employer mandate until "after obama term is over") its just about repealed,all thats needed now is congress-after the 2014 midterms to cut the funds and its done !

Not at all amazing Dave, that an avowed Socialist wishes to promote Socialism in the U.S. Burger King spends an inordinate amount of time here trying to lead the U.S down the wrong path, while he has done nothing constructive in his own country of Canada. He pretends to be an interested observer when it's obvious that he is a cheerleader and promoter with a Socialist agenda.

Some have suggested that if I met King face to face, I'd be able to enjoy a beer and a discussion with him. Wrong! I don't drink with anyone I don't trust.

This law was passed over 4 years ago, and Obama just keeps pushing back full implementation. If it was so good, you'd think he would be pushing for full implementation ASAP. But it's obvious that the strategy is to just get as many Democrats who supported it as possible re-elected. We already see how many Democrats who are up for re-election are running away from it. They even refuse to be seen with Obama when he travels to their States. That's not a sign that it is something good and something that the American people want. I still think that perhaps it was a plan to fail, and that the real goal is total Gov't control after it fails, and after they reward their cronies with massive bailouts. You can bet that when it does fail, the filthy lying Libtards will place as much blame on Republicans as they can. They have already used the spin that Republicans had no alternate plan, and the lying Liberal media refuses to expose that as a lie.

As good as our health care system was, there certainly were problems. I just wish they could have first asked the tough question: why is the cost of health care accelerating at 3 times the rate of inflation for the past 3 decades? That has still not been addressed. That's a topic for another thread, but let's start with working people getting gouged to help pay for health care for able bodied Welfare bums and up to 20 million illegal aliens.

Obama got in on the unity trope---hope as a public expectation of something better---and in again for reasons beaten about here: split opposition with weak candidate, cheating or to give him a chance to do what he was elected to do. All water on the bridge now.

Repairing foreign relations isn't as easy as the electorate choosing. The Bush doctrine was to do what America pleases, to invade arbitrarily any country and change the social, economic, military institutions considered inimical to US national interests. You know consequences of that one. Obama changed tack.

Obama said from the start America needed friends to reach its objectives; it can't go it alone. The multinational air war against Libya was led by purposely by a Canadian, and US is working with Russia, China and even Iran to bring regional balance to the Middle East.

As to your last question of Obama's popularity: No, his popularity is nowhere near early days. His predecessors suffered similar falls from grace.

Here is an article detailing the problems with socialized medicine in Great Britain . The article was published well before Obamacare so it's not an attack on this fiasco.
Link Below:

I think the last sentence of the article is particularly telling.

"The lesson of U.K. health reform is to move away from socialized medicine. Our challenge is to provide guaranteed coverage and competition (on the continental European model) together with guaranteed individual rights for patients (as on the Continent and the U.S.). The U.K. experience has profound lessons for reform-minded politicians in America and indeed in other developed countries - particularly on what not to do. "

BOLD added by yours truly!



Jim

http://news.investors.com/111307-487226-...t=international health organization&p=2

Still your call, Dave. You asked to bet. I'll even go along with your "maybe" raising the ante by betting Obama won't complete his term because of impeachment. We'll have the winner of that second one by the end of his term. The winner of the first one--- on universal healthcare system not being turned back ---will be determined by Obama's successor. What's your bet?

Water on the bridge??? Aren't you a bit old to be using LSD King?

Obama took the Bush Doctrine and wasted whatever gains resulted from it just to please his anti-war supporters. As a result, Iraq has fallen into chaos and the Iranians are gaining a huge foothold there. Karzai in Afghanistan is releasing Taliban prisoners and terrorists are regrouping. Did you happen to read about the 21 terrorists who got killed when the car bomb they were learning to set exploded prematurely? China is still working toward a 1000 ship navy and flexing its' muscles in the South China sea... Putin is laughing at Obama over his failures in Syria and Libya (remember those dead Americans in Benghazi?), and Iran is still enriching Uranium on it's way toward the first Radical Muslim atomic bomb.

I guess your idea of balance in the Middle East is a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

How much will your heating oil cost when they nuke the Strait of Hormuz? And will you take in your poor friends who must already choose between keeping warm and starving? I always thought age brings a certain wisdom. Not in your case.

Are you really that stupid? Oh, I can just imagine how critical you'd be of Bush if he had unilaterally gone into Pakistan to get bin Ladin. And killing people in countries where we are not at war, even targeting American citizens without a trial, by the use of Drone strikes. Why, you'd be apoplectic, but anything Obama does is just dandy as long as he keeps the Socialism Express bus running down the road. Water on the bridge??? WTF does that mean wordsmith?

Canada and Europe are evolving that way---public/private---getting away from ideological notion it must be purely public. Canadians already are actively engaged in non-profit Blue Cross etc for the extras. Canada is looking closely at the French health system. I believe reform-minded Americans will do similarly, including making it universal as all those other countries do. Insurance industry creaming it while millions are left out isn't a healthcare system.

I'd like to see R's swagger just a bit as if the senate midterms are in the bag and drop hints that insurance carrier shortfalls for lack of participation may not be part of future budgets. Maybe, pull the fairness and equality card and hint that insurance co's won't be able to disperse ocare loses through out their private sector accounts.

Big insurance has been largely quiet, likely due to significant financial incentive. There are chinks in the armor though that could easily become greater. Those folks likely have the ability to assert internal pressure on the admin and influence the message that gets out to joe average, if they believe their bottom line is in question. Good example would be key delays that bo would not be able to cover by exec order after he's done with term two.

Isn't that what ObamaCare was supposed to address... the over forty million Americans without Health Care coverage??? And what is it accomplishing besides getting several million more on Medicaid taxpayer funded coverage while still leaving over 30 million out in the cold??? And at the same time, the website is soliciting illegal aliens and promising that they can get coverage while being immune from the INS getting information on their illegal status.

Only a true LIBTARD could look at this and call it a success.

I still can't get over King celebrating the Obama Administration basically turning a blind eye to the Iranian pursuit of nukes. I'd make this wager: I'd bet King would be losing what little is left of his mind if Israel was full of black people or Miq'mak Indians, and the Mullahs were threatening its' total anhialation.