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Hi Michael,
I welcome you working on getting a measurement scale. One suggestion you may want to consider would be to mark one of the main horizontal line darker. This would be the datum. Then when taking the picture you might want to align as best as possible with a known gun feature, possibly the center line of the bore. This would help get a true perspective of the measurements to be taken. You may then want a vertical datum line that say locates at the trigger or another known gun feature. Just my thoughts

Hmmm. I just want more pictures of prewar custom pump .22s.

Darken the contrast.

Would it make sense to trace the stock onto the grid paper?

I have never seen a picture of the butt of the Owen Model 12 Remington. I would like to know what kind of butt treatment that gun has. It seems to be a Neidner style buttplate.

Kutter- no offense meant here, but your comment about the Winchester solid milled rib option sent me to my "The Winchester Model 12- One of a Thousand-- by George Madis- Now this ONLY applies to the Model 12's- page 53-- "Winchester's solid ribs were USUALLY made as a part of the barrel, a milling job that required a great deal of time by expert machinists"--

I don't believe that this much detail about the solid ribs was mentioned in the much later published book by Dave Riffle- However, I believe the special order option for a factory installed solid rib ran until about 1957-58.

I now have 9 Model 12's in my working collection- a 1955 field grade 12 gauge 28" mod solid rib-milled on the top or matted if you like. But I also bought a 1933 Model 12 Field grade 20 gauge- solid rib with originally a 30" full choke barrel, but the former owner's son had it out rabbit hunting- and you guessed it- he tripped, got the muzzle in a snowbank- never cleared the bore- and shortened that 30" to about 26.75"- he kept the expanded remained, the solid rib stayed intact while the rest of the barrel had peeled back like a banana- I have that section- and both the remainer of the now cyliner choked barrel plus the "frag grenade section" show the steel of the rib intact to the top of the barrel's radius- If the rib was indeed soldered on, I should think it would have peeled off with the rest of the barrels' circumference.

I mounted that burst shard of 4140 barrel steel on a display board, over the "steel tomb" gun safe down in my "Man Cave" next to the 1979 era Sturm Ruger ad with the great poem "If a sportsman true you'd be"--

Typical German one without the trapdoor.

Runs, Madis has been wrong before, and he is wrong on the solid ribs.

Strange, my "cyclopian "friend", but George Madis worked for WRA for over 30 years hand running, and to my way of thinking, he must know just a little bit more than either you or I do about Model 12's-- And the 20 gauge with the rib that was "circumcised"- no traces of silver solder, and the metal of the rib is solid, like a railroad rail. Go figure that!!~!

Don't know, never cut one off. Maybe at some point, they were forged with the barrel like a Remington. Every author after Madis explained how they were soldered on. Maybe you could post a picture of the ends of the circumcized rib.