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Interesting that the argument of "They were born that way" is an accepted explanation for their deviant behavior and is an accepted reason and promulgated by the left/ homosexuals/ liberals but if you say that about certain ethnic groups and their proclivity for criminogenic behavior you get slammed as prejudiced/bigoted etc! By saying that certain groups are born with criminogenic tendencies will get you crucified.

James:
Are you implying that the gay triplet is the result of a birth defect? This is the 1st time I've ever heard this put forth as an explanation. Please understand I'm not discounting it out of hand but I'd certainly be interested in more information on this subject.
Jim

Brian:
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"Interesting that the argument of "They were born that way" is an accepted explanation for their deviant behavior and is an accepted reason and promulgated by the left/ homosexuals/ liberals but if you say that about certain ethnic groups and their proclivity for criminogenic behavior you get slammed as prejudiced/bigoted etc! By saying that certain groups are born with criminogenic tendencies will get you crucified."

Left wing hypocrisy knows no bounds .
Jim
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Is the proclivity for criminal behavior in certain ethnic groups innate or is it learned behavior? I would suggest it is most likely a learned behavior, children consciously and sub consciously emulating the behavior they see modeled.

That is why so many of us here believe in the value of a two parent family, modeling good behavior and imparting to our children a moral and ethical code to see them through life.

If it was innate, why would we bother. Because, of course, if criminogenic behavior is innate, so must be productive, non criminal behavior.

And BTW, how would that criminogenic behavior catch up to our changing legal codes over the centuries. For as a society evolves, what was once fine....say settling an argument with a duel or "having" the bride on her marriage night if you were her feudal lord, is no longer acceptable and is now illegal.

Jim, I didn't mean to call it a birth defect as we typically understand birth defects. I was trying to put forward the idea that something is different about that specific child, despite similar DNA. For example, I have a friend who has a profoundly handicapped child. That child's DNA was set at the time of conception. The medical explanation for my friend's daughters condition is that something happened at the time of birth that caused issues in the brain.

My point being that her brain is not operating as is mine or yours but she still has the same DNA make-up as she had before....her problem didn't change that.

Although this doesn't explain the gay triplet, a working theory that is being explored is that some types of stress during pregnancy results in a statistically higher rate of homosexuality in the child.

As I said before, no one really knows why some people (and animals) behave this way. We only know at this point that they do.

No danc'in around for me cback. I fully agree that there are scientific studies showing various non human organisms attempting to mate or court.

I don't think I'm off base at all assuming that there are mountains more studies, facts, history, etc., etc. showing the typical way to propagate a species is through heterosexual reproduction.

I'll repeat what I think is interesting. What you see as my blind reluctance and dancing around is curiosity. What causes folks to conclude that spotting a minuscule fraction of a percent of homosexual behavior in the animal world is proof of normality.

It's a big wide animal world out there, that may be proof enough that heterosexuality is the norm. How again do tiny fractions of a percent of observable animal behavior equate to the proof that all humans should accept human homosexuality without question. That seems more of a reach, dance, skip and a hop.

Really doesn't matter to me. Live and let live in the privacy of ones own affairs. But, how does catching two male dogs humping on video equate gay pc influence. Heck I know there're a bunch of leg hounds out there, that doesn't make the unlucky recipient an advocate for beastiality.

I'd ask as I've asked before, who gets to choose. Why are folks, let's say some priests, who might be attracted to boys because of some stress mom had during pregnancy....not normal. I think extreme, but there are many other examples. Many many other examples, and all might have support of a study or two.

We had neighbors with identical twin sons. One had a learning disability, one did not.

Identical twins and triplets do not have identical fingerprints.

Cloned horse and dogs do not have the same color patterns (spots) as the DNA donor.

The triplets didn't have identical experiences after they were born.

Craig, to your first post above...perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying initially. And perhaps you, me.

I never meant to suggest that it is "normal" as in widespread within the animal world, as a percentage of the total sexual activity. I was initially responding to an assertion, patently incorrect, that it does not occur. Didn't suggest it was common or normal. Only suggested it has been observed in a wide variety (1000 plus) species of animals.

But be that as it may. I think you make great leaps of inference that aren't supported by anything when you make comments like:

"But how does catching two male dogs humping on video equate gay pc influence. Heck I know there're a bunch of leg hounds out there, that doesn't make the unlucky recipient an advocate for beastiality."

I just don't see what that comment has to do with what we have been discussing.

As to your second post above, what do you mean "who gets to choose?" My point, if I had one, that that queers probably don't get to choose. they just are. So there is little point in imagining we could "cure" them and there is little point in imagining that whatever ails them might be "catchy" if we (or adopted kids) spent too much time around them.

Now before the board goes wild, I do not support gay couples adopting. But it's not because I fear the child will become homosexual.

I suppose Pedophiles should be the next protected class as well since "they were born that way" too.