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I don't agree....only behavior that's "totally involuntary" is insanity.

For someone to choose to be queer means there's something bad wrong inside their head.

....That's life, isn't it? My guess, Jim, is most members have relatives or friends who are gay and don't condemn them to hell....

....I hear a lot of talk these days among friends of faith about Pope Francis. To say there's "interest" in him is under-statement. His "Who am I to judge?" about homosexuality always seems to segue easily into, "Well, if he isn't to judge, who is? Not me."....
....He's spot-on to a skeptic like me.

James, from my point of view, the Catholic Church has a long history of service to the poor through missions, teaching, and monetary collections which build churches, schools, hospitals, etc. But the Mission Statement would still ultimately be devotion to God. I see no evidence that anything is any different since Francis became Pope. I sure don't expect to see any Gay marriages in the Catholic Church. I absolutely agree that the Church has been tainted by corruption, but that has always been corruption by men who infiltrated the Church for their own evil intent. Both Pedophiles and Homosexuals have found convenient cover beneath the robes of Priests. Some would say that is evidence that Satan has used men to attack Christ's Church, and that has been predicted in the New Testament. I disagree with any attempts to cover up crimes and perversions, but I also disagree with attempts to use these crimes committed by a small minority to punish and bankrupt the entire Church.

King, like many liberals, has many times referenced the greed of Capitalism, and touted his own "generosity of spirit". Sorry you hadn't noticed that. I merely made the observation that Liberals are very generous with other folks money, and always wish to soak the rich through more taxation, to give to the poor. But they are demonstratably not so generous with their own money. This makes them feel better about themselves. And more self-righteous. King's advocacy for the poor is not always fine, because so often, the Liberal cures have been worse than the disease, and led to unintended consequences. But Liberals seem to have a problem with admitting when they are wrong and instead wish to double down on their failed policies. Inevitably, a tipping point is reached, and massive failure results. See Greece, Spain, Italy, and other countries and cities where Socialism has led to decline, failure, bankruptcy, and chaos. I never said King is always wrong. But he has continued to spew nonsense and misinformation so many times, long after being proven wrong... merely ignoring facts presented by me, you, Jim, Doug, DaveK, J.R.B., craigd, and many others... dancing around the truth and piling on more Liberal crap.


You and I agree 99% of the time, but we diverge on this. A stopped clock should be fixed or tossed in the trash. It is useless. I could make excuses for him too, but that would just just encourage him. Then we end up with Cock and Bull stories where he tries to rewrite history as he did in his recent "Newton" thread.

Both Pedophiles and Homosexuals have found convenient cover beneath the robes of Priests.

I disagree with any attempts to cover up crimes and perversions, but I also disagree with attempts to use these crimes committed by a small minority to punish and bankrupt the entire Church.

Keith, I am selectively responding to bits of your post, just for the sake of efficiency. I haven't time to write a both long AND coherent response.

Any other organization of man, in Western society, exposed for both the crimes against children and the efforts to shield the perps from the law, over many, many decades, would long ago have been bankrupted by civil suits and most would have said good riddance. The RC church, while not quite receiving a pass, has come pretty close.

I believe people and organizations should be responsible for their actions. That is at the heart of my Libertarian/ Conservative views.

So far, in my lifetime, I don't think the RC Church and the Anglican/Episcopalian Churches, have paid a sufficient price for the actions of, while admittedly a minority, a significant portion of their leaders. If proper compensation to the thousands and thousands of abused children bankrupted the RC Church I would say fine. You can always start again building up those assets.