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when I use to shoot live pigeons. We drank while we were shooting. Never a problem, except probably did not do much for our scores

John Boyd
Quality Arms

Same here in Spain, never been to a live pigeon set up where there wasn�t a restaurant and a bar, best, Mike

Whatever our opinions about alcohol consumption at gun venues, the perps shouldn't have argued. "Sorry, we'll get rid of it right away." would have been the prudent response.

I would like to say I am no teetotaler and did not start this discussion to try convert anyone to sobriety. I very much enjoy drinks or cold beers with my hunting and shooting friends after the guns are put safely away. I feel the same about drinking and driving. I don't drive after I have been drinking and I wont ride with someone who has been drinking. That is just the way I conduct myself no more no less. The OGCA has a set of rules for members that are strictly enforced. The dealer who was expelled broke a rule and was dealt an immediate expulsion. He lost 7 tables rent for this show, is barred from the next show, and his membership will be reviewed for further action. The OGCA runs a tight ship, but is one of the best shows in the country. Has I stated before I have no axe to grind with the dealer. I will say he has a very nice display of guns. The majority he has told me before are on consignment. I was already in setting up has he and another gentleman gently brought the guns into the Roberts Center and carefully laid them out. I can also tell you there was absolutely no gentleness and care as these same guns left the Roberts Center after the incident. I don't know if this was due to alcohol, emotions, or a combination of both.

Yep.

Well yes, if they'd merely been told to stop. These guys were immediately kicked out for violating a known rule -- apparently the heated stuff was their reaction to the consequences.

As far as I'm concerned, drinking alcohol is a personal choice. As to me I don't drink, never have; and at this stage in my life, can't see myself ever taking up the sport. But I do continue to associate with those individuals who are so inclined, to include my B-I-L; and that in spite of the fact that the SOB shot me during a rabbit hunt after he's chugged a couple of beers at a noon lunch break! However, when it comes to mixing drinking with the great outdoors, the one thing I don't ever wish to repeat would be another frog-gigging safari with an individual who is intoxicated; having a gig in one's hand is no fun!

As to the unfortunate guys noted above; rules are rules and I'm sure they were given a copy of same in advance of the show regardless of whether they may have taken time to read them or not. It is my experience that gunshow promotors have safety concerns first and foremost; and that is simply because they have reasons for concern. I still vividly recall an Atlanta gunshow tragedy from a few years ago where a father shot and killed his 14 year old son. Seems he was looking at pistols when the dealer behind the table handed him his personal (loaded) handgun to examine (a loaded gun was a clear violation of gunshow rules); I'm sure all parties involved would have given/done anything to have the power now to undo the chain of events that resulted in this nightmare.

As low information threads go, this is about the lowest.

When I was a 2LT of Field Artillery at Fort Sill back in '67 we thought nothing of having a sandwich and beer at the O club for lunch before shooting our M101A1 105mm howitzers or 50 cal machine gunsin the field in the afternoon. Nobody had more than one and there was never a problem. It was often a battalion officers lunch call so everyone was there. It just wasn't a big deal then but times have changed and we've become much more puritanical about alcohol in the US since then.

how about giving it a break? the man isn't going to give the dealer's name on a public site nor should he. if you are really that interested you can make some calls and find out who it was. then you can open yourself to slander by posting it.

funny, when some people have info they will keep it close to the chest wanting some thing in return, but when some one else has info they are the first to demand they post it or pix etc.