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What no one talks about is that class trumps race as major burden of the United States. The race divide is on everyone's lips but less so on why we starve social programs on grounds we can no longer afford them, why no taxes are good taxes, smaller government is better and wealth should trickle down to the bottom like oats through a horse.

Hundreds of billions are provided in bailouts to banks and auto companies, governments "shrink" while they add millions of private contractors to do public works, the rich lobby successfully for lower taxes while the middle class pays more while getting less, corporate tax cuts are proven not to stimulate capital spending by businesses, and we prattle about black welfare queens!

One solution to promote greater job opportunities and reduce poverty from Gates, Buffet, the Vatican, the Anglican Church and others endorsed by 40 countries is opposed fiercely by the financial sector; Canada shot it down at the G20 two years ago. It's a financial transactions tax (FTT), a fraction of one per cent on all transactions of stocks, bonds, futures etc.

But the banks have more influence than the working classes which paid from their pockets to put them back on top again. It's comedy if not for such miserable consequences of corporations owning the media to sell a generation on what's good for it, driving a wedge between the middle class and the poor---as we read here---so the middle class will identify with the wealthy.

Starved social programs?

2008- 28.2 million enrolled in SNAP(food stamps)
2012- 47.8 million enrolled in SNAP

Here in PA, from fiscal year 2002-2003 to fiscal year 2011-2012, public welfare spending rose 52% ($17.9 BILLION to $27.2 BILLION). Of the total operating budget for the state of PA, that's 43% spent solely on public welfare.

Two notes of a personal nature to illustrate the abuse of the welfare system-

Several years ago, my 34 year old neighbor got his 19 year old live-in girlfriend pregnant. Rather than marry her and add the child and her to his insurance policy (which would have increased his out of pocket costs), she chose to add herself and the baby to the public welfare rolls. Two months later, he bought a $10,000 dollar motor for his boat. A year later, he bought a 4 year old Toyota Tundra 4x4 and paid cash for it. All of this was freely related to me by him. No speculation on my part.

My 44 year old alcoholic/drug addict sister-in-law applied for SSI disability because she said she could not hold a job. Initially she was denied. Several months after getting a lawyer and appealing, she was granted disability and received a large lump sum of back pay the beginning of this past week. By Wednesday, she had bought herslf a Mercedes SUV...

Marcus

I'm not questioning the abuses, Marc. They're sickening. Corporate welfare bums are a big part of it. I'm not familiar with SNAP but guessing the Great Recession starting 2008 may have been a big part of it, too. The guilty have been identified---and reimbursed for their losses by the middle class.

No King you weren't. You said the programs were being starved. These entitlement programs are at an all time high with funding and enrollment, yet you still complain. Why don't you sing the praises of all who are being helped, or will it never be enough. What is your yardstick for success of an entitlement, everyone on welfare except the politicians.

How very appropriate that you should mention "oats through a horse", King. Your comments demonstrate your lack of honesty and once again show that the "Hope and Change" of your boy Obama is little more than smoke and mirrors.

We absolutely have not starved social programs here, and you know it. We have more people collecting more government freebies than ever before and even Republican proposals to merely slow the rate of growth are met with howls of indignation by Libtards who seem hell bent on turning the nation into one giant Detroit.

Nor have we shrunk government, even as we added millions of private contractors. A few years back, the number of people employed in non-productive government jobs surpassed the number of manufacturing jobs that largely supported them. In addition, as wages, benefits, and pensions in the private sector delcined in real terms, the opposite is true in the public sector.

Funny that King Pinnochio Brown mentions that the Hundreds of billions in bailout money enrich and reward large corporate and financial sector recipients... especially since those who were Obama campaign contributors like G.M., General Electric, and Goldman Sachs benefitted mightily. And despite what you intend to show, taxes have not been reduced for the wealthy under your boy. They were increased on those earning over $250k per year. Of course, the middle and lower classes who were promised that their taxes would not increase one dime will be paying for ObamaCare, which was argued by the Obama administration to be a tax during Supreme Court proceedings. And the poor and middle class are already paying the hidden tax of inflation due to Obama running the printing presses full speed as he creates monumental record debt.

You, being a Libtard, of course think the solution is yet more taxes, this time a FTT. Even though this has been shown to be somewhat regressive since working poor often have a higher percentage of their net wealth in investment vehicles in their 401-k retirements than the very wealthy... but you Libtards never met a tax you didn't like. All the better to redistribute even more to welfare queens and Obama campaign donors and to enrich Obama Green Energy cronies.

And how very appropriate that you close with criticism of corporate owned media selling so much bullshit. I'm sure you're only talking about FOX while giving a total pass to the filthy liars at General Electric owned NBC and MSNBC.

The race divide is on everyone's lips here King, because that's the topic of this thread. Duh! Or are you just looking for any opening to spout your Liberal lies and bullshit? Or were you just hoping to turn the discussion away from your precious NAACP and their institutional racism? I seem to recall you recently saying that you would mostly be an observer here in Misfires... looking on with amusement at the "prattle" of us mere mortals, and only very infrequently blessing us with nuggets of your awesome worldly wisdom. It appears that was just another lie. If lies were dollars, you could pay our national debt.

I'm also taking the word of Rep. Marcia Fudge, D-Ohio, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, who referred only today on NBC's Meet the Press to cuts to food stamp programs passed recently by the GOP-held House of Representatives.

SNAP- Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Otherwise known as "Food Stamps".

To the best of my knowledge, corporate welfare has nothing to do with public welfare claims.

Public welfare rolls have increased over 140% since the mid 1990's. It started long before the events of 2007/08.

Marcus

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/it_on_y22owkLpsldSAjDVC9isjM

Food stamps are paying for trans-Atlantic takeout � with New Yorkers using taxpayer-funded benefits to ship food to relatives in Jamaica, Haiti and the Dominican Republic.

Welfare recipients are buying groceries with their Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) cards and packing them in giant barrels for the trip overseas,



http://watchdog.org/96500/illinois-rewarded-for-misspending-only-52-million-on-food-stamps/

Illinois rewarded for misspending only $52 million on food stamps

Just more than 2 million people in the state, or 16 percent of the population, are enrolled in the federally managed SNAP. Washington D.C,. sent Illinois $3 billion for SNAP last year.
FOOD STAMP BOOM: Dabrowksi says IL has seen food stamp rolls grow by double digits.

FOOD STAMP BOOM: Dabrowksi says IL has seen food stamp rolls grow by double digits.

The numbers: 1.74 percent of $3 billion is $52 million. That�s a lot of taxpayer waste.

�The more people you add and the bigger the program gets, the more cumbersome it gets. The more difficult it gets to manage. And you have money being given away that shouldn�t be given away,� said Ted Dabrowski, vice President of policy for the Illinois Policy Institute.

Dabrowksi said Illinois saw its food stamp population jump 11.5 percent last year.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/record-1...-populous-state

Record 10,978,040 Now on Disability; �Disability� Would Be 8th Most Populous State


The record 10,978,040 total disability beneficiaries in May, included a record 8,877,921 disabled workers (up from 8,865,586 in April), a record 1,939,687 children of disabled workers (up from 1,936,236 in April), and 160,432 spouses of disabled workers.

May was the 196th straight month that the number of American workers collecting federal disability payments increased.

Congressional Black Caucus ?
You mean the Socialist Congressional Black Caucus"
King your not crazy enough to believe ANYTHING those
race-bating socialist say are you ?

As for the Congressional Black Caucus, shouldn't it matter that 67% of its current members were registered with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) caucus in 2009? If you don't include the six freshmen that were elected in 2010, that number jumps to 78%. One of those freshmen is Lt. Col. Allen West (R-FL), who joined the caucus likely for reconnaissance purposes more than anything else, suggested there are 78-81 members of Congress who are registered with Communist Party USA. Being embedded with 29 registered socialists in the CBC might serve to lend his charge some credibility.

Socialists and Communists lie. It's part of the rule book (Obama lied about not being registered with a socialist party). The Congressional Black Caucus is dominated by confirmed, registered socialists. 67% of the current 43 members were registered with the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) caucus in 2009. Obama's ideological mentor, Saul Alinsky believed that ends not only justify the means but failure to use any means necessary is a sin (that would be a sin against Lucifer, apparently). Check out this excerpt from his book, Rules for Radicals:

"The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. ... The real arena is corrupt and bloody." p.24

Dave, you may have missed it, but if he wasn't aware of it, this kind of talk warms King's heart. He has mentioned that he has long time family ties to the communist party of Canada.