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What looks to be ALH with a script L in a shield/crown?

1st guess would be August Louis Hengelhaupt of Z-M and I would attach a high probability for this mechanics. There also was a Arthur Otto Hein, but that doesn't fit. MM is also common for the period and it could represent Max M�ller, a Z-M tube maker during this time.

Experienced proof in Z-M in October 1936.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The action and the barrel do not seem to have the same serial number. Do you agree? Is this a drawback?

What caliber is this rifle? Is it indeed 8.15x46N? The markings do not make it clear. I believe it IS 8.15x46N. I have 20 rounds of 8.15x46N and it fits perfectly into the chamber. Opinions?

I see a 2788 on the frame and a 669 on the tube. Are there any other numbers on the frame? The 29 is probably an assembly number. Only way to know the chamber for sure is to do a chamber cast & slug the bore. The round utilized a 11 gram lead bullet.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Instead of just getting opinions, why not make a chamber cast and then you'll know for sure.
Steve

Texasjack,
The caliber is 8.15x46R(unless rechambered),as shown by the marks 7.6 and 46. The bore diameter(not groove or bullet)of 7.6mm is common in ihis caliber, even though it is very tight. One of mine is so marked and it has a groove diameter of .312". My cousin also has one,his with .3125" grooves.The express type bullets used in factory ammo is .324", but made so as not to elevate the pressure significantly. The case length is shown as 46mm, they didn't mark the "R".The rifle was proofed in the 10th month of 1936 as shown by the 1036.The number under this is the ledger number.As Raimey said, it was proofed in Zella-Mehlis, and they marked ledger numbers, while Suhl didn't.Since you have 8.15 ammo, it won't be necessary to make a chamber cast. Just fire it and the fired case will tell you if it has been rechambered.You should, however, slug the bore to verify the groove diameter.Unless you can find factory type bullets,you should either use jacketed bullets to fit,or cast bullets a couple thousanths over.You may use oversize bullets if they will easily go into a fired/unsized case. I hope this helps.
Mike

Mike F. Thanks for this valuable information. Below is the ad for the ammo I bought several years ago. The rifle was sold to me as 8.15x46R. I bought ammo. It fits in the chamber perfectly. This is probably the right round for this rifle. What do you mean by "slug the bore" before shooting it? (Sorry to be such an amateur, I admit it, but learning fast!)

Texasjack,

here are the pics of the "sister":

[img]http://www.hunting-heritage.com/Apel-Stutzen/large-1.html[/img]


[img]http://www.hunting-heritage.com/Apel-Stutzen/large-2.html[/img]

[img]http://www.hunting-heritage.com/Apel-Stutzen/large-3.html[/img]
Nice gun, isn!t it?

[img]http://www.hunting-heritage.com/Apel-Stutzen/large-4.html[/img]

Still waiting for the answer of the Gunmaker...!

Gunwolf

Gunwolf, I still do not know. In the responses above it is speculated that this might be one af many guns assembled from parts left after a gunmaker went out of business. There is no maker stamping/marking on the rifle.

Texasjack,

may be! Let's wait for the answer of the Gunmaker I asked.

Gunwolf