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Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? #324387 05/11/13 09:56 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,964 Likes: 89 Texas Joe Wood OP Sidelock
OP Joe Wood Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,964 Likes: 89 Texas	What are these barrel marks on this Lefever G? Looks like a crown over GL. When an old man dies a library burns to the ground. (Old African proverb)

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324391 05/11/13 10:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	George Laloux, found on Lefever G and F grades BUT Gaspar Lejeune of For�t was a member of the Syndicat des Fabricants de Canons de Fusil de la Vesdre Last edited by Drew Hause; 05/11/13 10:26 AM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324395 05/11/13 10:44 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,964 Likes: 89 Texas Joe Wood OP Sidelock
OP Joe Wood Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,964 Likes: 89 Texas	I find it incredible that the raw tubes left Belgium so close dimensionally to the finished state that even after Lefever struck them the fabricators marks are still visible! When an old man dies a library burns to the ground. (Old African proverb)

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324415 05/11/13 11:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	Lefever push opener c. 1885-1887 possibly C grade with Banc D'Epreuves de Liege provisional proof mark Craig Havener's, which Raimey diagnosed; Charles Clement & Neumann Freres registered the mark in 1903: two crossed hammers with the inscription "Hammered Fluid Steel" and the letters "CJCJ" in the angles of the hammers. Last edited by Drew Hause; 05/11/13 11:53 AM. https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324418 05/11/13 11:58 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,814 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,814 Likes: 194 North Alabama	Drew, did I take the blame on that one or was it Marc's discovery? I would like someone to own up to JHJR though. Kind Regards, Raimey rse

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324420 05/11/13 12:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,598 IL PeteM Sidelock
PeteM Sidelock Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,598 IL	According to Gadisseur & Druart: CJ is Joseph Cap. http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20c/a%20cap%20joseph%20gb.htm JR is Jules Rosseel. Rosseel is late, 1932-1956. He held 1 patent. http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20q%20r/a%20rosseel%20gb.htm GL is always George Laloux. He registered the mark. http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20l/a%20laloux%20georges%20gb.htm Pete http://www.damascus-barrels.com/Movie.html

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Drew Hause #324423 05/11/13 12:57 PM
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Daryl Hallquist Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,271 Likes: 202 Bozeman, Mt.	Drew, I have a thumb push opener Lefever hammerless of B Quality. It has those same provisional proof marks on top of the barrels like you show. Oddly, there are no marks on the underside where we normally see them. I wonder if any other makers displayed those marks on top of the barrels. Last edited by Daryl Hallquist; 05/11/13 01:09 PM. http://www.bakercollectors.com/

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324424 05/11/13 01:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS Drew Hause Sidelock
Drew Hause Sidelock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,427 Likes: 315 AZ but dreaming of KS	None that I have seen Daryl https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknowledge.com/www/home

Re: Barrel marks on a Lefever G......? Joe Wood #324506 05/12/13 07:15 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,814 Likes: 194 North Alabama ellenbr Sidelock
ellenbr Sidelock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,814 Likes: 194 North Alabama	From a much earlier time, but this is the JHJR stamp on a Johann Leonhart Dotter example: Kind Regards, Raimey rse

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