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#322207 04/21/13 06:58 PM
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Browsing through the German auction site eGun I came across the following gun. http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4342991
Several things interested me. First, it is a Sempert & Krieghoff pre World War II drilling. Secondly, it is a model "Waldschütz" which is a modification of the more common "Semper" drilling I had never seen before. Thirdly, although the most noticeable characteristic of the "Waldschütz" is its 55 cm barrels, this particular drilling has only 50 cm barrels. Lastly, when I arrived at the 5th photo accompanying the description, I noticed that this drilling is equipped with a feature known as "Herausnehmbares Scholßgewerk" in the Sempert & Krieghoff catalog.

This feature allows the entire lockwork of the drilling to be removed from the action without the use of tools, first bz turning the lever shown in photo 5, and then releasing the other lever which follows the curve of the pistol grip in photos 7 and 8. The seller was evidently not aware of this feature, since he didn't mention it in the description.

The drilling will be shipped to a gunsmith in Germany to forward it on to me, and I expect to receive a full report on the condition of the lockwork at that time. It may be that the action also features what is referred to as "automatische Kugelschloßverriegelung", a feature which automatically blocks the lock of the rifle barrel when the selector is switched to "shot". That would be an unexpected bonus.

Evidently no one else recognized the unusual feature of this drilling, because onlz one other person bid, and his bid was for the opening price only.

The scope is not original, an inexpensive Japanese replacement for whatever originally was fitted to the claw mount rings, but replacing it with a more suitable scope should not be a problem.

The buttstock wood does not appear to match the fore end, so it may be a replacement. That should not create too great a problem. The 16/65 shot chambers may be able to be opened to 16/70, but if not, I have a supply of 16/65 shells to use with it. Altogether, I am excited with the prospect of owning such an unusual gun.
















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Congratulations on a super find! What a neat drilling, very compact to boot. I sort of think the stock it original...Steve

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How does it differ from the Semper & do you have the Nr. for the Herausnehmbares Scholßgewerk D.R.G.M./Gebrauchsmuster (maybe in the 600k range)? I was curious of the date for the D.R.G.M. and if this is an early variant?

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post223523

Considering the humpback style of the stock, I have reservations as it being a re-stock. Ever run across a Waldschütz-Anson?

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 134556 was from 3.03.1900 as was for their stock dims or a stock?

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Raimey,

I'm over my head when you start asking about a Gebrauchsmuster.

However, thanks for posting the reference to the earlier thread which pictures pages from the Sempert & Krieghoff catalog. One such page illustrates both the "herausnehmbares Schloßgewerk" and the "automatische Kugelschloßverriegelung" perfectly.

I had the impression that the "Schweinsrücken", so pronounced in the stock design of the drilling I just bought, was a post war development. I have four pre-war drillings, a Sempert & Krieghoff Neptun, a J.P. Sauer & Sohn Model 26, and two Greifelt drillings, none of which has a hint of a "Schweinsrücken", and I saw no mention of such a stock design in the Sempert & Krieghoff catalog. My post-war Neptun did, however, have such a feature, until I had it removed.

My 1939 Marholdt Waffen-Lexikon refers to "Schweinsrücken" in connection with telescopic sights, so that might be a possible explanation, although two of my pre-war drillings have scopes and straight combs.

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Any chance the Schweinsrücken(Hog back) is related to the Schießstock usw. term in Gebrauchsmuster Nummer 134556 was from 3.03.1900?

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xausa,
Did you verify the barrel length yet? My old eyes may be failing me, but they look longer than 50cm, maybe 55; but look like 60 to me.BTW what is the caliber of the rifle?
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Raimey,

I really don't know what you are referring to when you mention Gebrauchsmuster Nummer 134556 from 3.03.1900. Where can I find this description?

Herr Amerikaner

I have relied on the seller's representation that the barrel length is 50 cm (which seems awfully short), but I dredged up what little algebra I can remember after 57 years and applied it to the photographs, with mixed results. Assuming the length of pull of the stock is about 13.5 inches, then the barrels probably are 55 cm, as stated in the catalog. This is still three inches shorter than Churchill's famous XXV shotguns, one of which I once owned.

The rifle barrel caliber is 8X57IR, for which I am amply supplied with components. IF there is enough metal in the barrels to allow it, I would like to lengthen the shot chambers to 70mm. Otherwise, I will just have to draw on my limited supply of 2.5" ammunition.

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xausa,
I would argue with 50 cm, but can't argue with your calculation. I'm a short barrel man anyway. There will be some argument about opening up the chambers, but it's your gun and I suspect it will be ok.
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I emailed the seller and asked him for a definitive measurement of the barrel bundle.

Now that I think of it, if I ask my German gunsmith to open up the shot chambers to 70mm, the gun would probably have to be reproofed, and I don't want to go through that process.

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Schießstock usw. is the extent of the term or definition.

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