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Guys, I have my eye on a Manhattan Arms Co 7-pin sidelock sxs with double triggers and what appears to be Damascus barrels. The stock and splinter forearm look outstanding and metal looks good with a nice patina. Probably a 1900-ish era gun...Google tells me it could be made by Demoloiun (sp) or JP Sauer and Son, or another Liege manufacturer. I will know more when I can look at the proof marks.
It is on the rack for $750, but I just don't know enough about this gun to make a purchase. Is it "Just Another Belgian Clunker" or a a little diamond in the rough?
Any help is appreciated. Thanks,
Scotty
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Mine was a damascus bbl'd side lock made by J.P Sauer.
It had a tiny JP Sauer mark (on the action face IIRC).
It certainly had nice craftsmanship, wood and metal fit and finish.
Even w/o the Sauer mark, it could clearly be seen as a quality if not utilitarian piece.
But the Manhattan Arms name gave it a Belgian Clunker status as far as the dealer selling it was concerned and I bought it for $100 at the time.
Should have kept it too!
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Manhatten Arms Co. was a "trade brand" used by Schoverling, Daly & Gales on all manner of low to medium priced guns. There were cheap Belgian hammer guns, Hunter Arms Co. Fultons, and somewaht better European guns all sold at one time or another under the Manhatten Arms Co. name. My Father use to have a Damascus barrel 10-gauge marked Manhatten Arms Co. that was obviously a generic Birmingham boxlock.
Hopefully, Drew will be along with a more complete answer.
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Not much to add. Manhattan Arms Co. was a trade name used on hammer and hammerless side by sides imported by Schoverling, Daly & Gales, Kirtland Bros. Co., and Von Lengerke & Detmold, all of New York City. The guns were made in Belgium by Neumann Freres and Fabrique d'Armes Fs. Dumoulin & Cie, and in Germany by J.P. Sauer.
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As Researcher said, the boxlock Hunter Arms gun was introduced in the 1912 Schoverling, Daly & Gales catalogue as the "Manhatten Arms Co." with the barrels marked "Superior Quality" and "For Nitro Powder". Hunter Arms first listed "THE FULTON" in 1915, and the Fulton Special in 1918.  
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What you describe is a Sauer transition gun, probably 10 bore. It is not a sidelock per the true definition. The hammers aren't on the lock but the mainsprings are if I remember correctly. Info is beginning to suggest that it may have been Charles Daly that utilized these odd variant type actions and had someone to build them. I'm sure he was looking at the company's bottom line. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post164135http://picasaweb.google.com/armthree/2009_09_29#5392666993357265506Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Thx Raimey, excellent thread info. Unfortunately, the gun has been sold. They wanted $750 and probably got that in this market...
Scotty
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