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Adam, the Ugartechea is not a Mod 1040 but a Mod 1030 Kyrie can confirm that. The Mod 1040 have Purdey locks.
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absolutely beautiful guns. true works of art!


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Once again some good info, but also some wrong info, from Ed. Anytime you buy a new gun and use it for a few years and turned it into a used gun, you will come out short. In time you will be made closer to being whole. Try buying a new Purdey for $100k and see what it bring on the used market. Many of you guys tickle me. You will buy a car, use it, and in 5 years you will lost half its value. 10 years and you have lost 90%. Yet you would think about that! Now Ed is wrong on the Spainish guns. For example. I started importing Arrieta is the early 90s. The 557 I was selling for $2500. Now the gun sells for $4995. Also when I first imported and sold the AYA #453, I sold it for $1695. New 2013 price is $3650. Try that with a car. I am not saying that you can not lose money on a gun, but time will make you closer to being whole. You will always have retained value which with many other items you will not..

I think I know a little about this business as I have been doing this on my own for 38 years, one of the old timers. Many of the guys here buy and sell a few guns a year and think they know the gun trade and the market

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Originally Posted By: GETTEMANS
Adam, the Ugartechea is not a Mod 1040 but a Mod 1030 Kyrie can confirm that. The Mod 1040 have Purdey locks.
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That’s a good comment; I think the gun pictured probably is a Model 1030 rather than a 1040. Most folks are not aware that Spanish side locks may not have H&H locks, much less that Purdey locks were available.

This is another difference between Spanish guns made today and those made before roughly 1970. Back in the 1960’s, and earlier, many of the gun makers offered a choice in which kinds of locks they would use when making a gun. Purdey locks were more highly regarded than H&H locks, and many top price point guns were ordered with Purdey locks (which the Spanish refer to as Llaves de 4 Pilars).

Here are pictures one such gun, a Victor Sarasqueta “Hispania” Model 213:





Here is a picture of the lock, with the four pillars circled:



Here are the lockworks:


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arrieta: I don't really understand your post. I do not get the car/gun comparison. most new cars depreciate in value, as do most new guns...and you indicate that the new retail price for two of the Spanish guns you have been importing since the early nineties have doubled in price. so have the prices of many other consumer products; cars being a good example.

what would be helpful, is for you to tell us the retail value of the two guns you mention, on todays used gun market. then we could make a fair comparison with the retail value of other new guns and their current value as used guns.

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Originally Posted By: GETTEMANS
Adam, the Ugartechea is not a Mod 1040 but a Mod 1030 Kyrie can confirm that. The Mod 1040 have Purdey locks.
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Good eye. You are correct. That was a typo on my part.

As for the Purdey/Beesley stlye action here are a few more from AYA...

AYA Senior Trio






A pair of AYA





And one more AYA...











And while we're discussing Purdey style actions.... Victor Sarasqueta offered an O/U inspired the by Woodward O/U which, of course, is now built by Purdey.





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more absolutely gorgeous guns! who cares if they are good investments or not?


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I have a Ugartechea 20 gauge 1030 and it is a wonderful gun. May sell it soon.Bobby

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Couple of comments to add to Adams post;

The pair of guns with hand detachable locks are indeed 'Purdey style' locks, but not in a 'self opening' configuration (which the Senior is). I believe that AyA did some Model No 1's with the ''Purdey style locks but without the self opening in the early 1960s, but I'm open to being corrected on this! The 'normal' style cocking levers can be seen in Kyrie's final photograph towards the top of this page.

The Senior, whilst having Purdey style locks WITH the self opening (operated by the mainsprings being tensioned by the gun closure), omits the intercepting safety, opting for bolts on the sears instead.

None of the Spanish makes that used Purdey style locks are common, all having been made only in very small numbers. AyA built about 40 Seniors in total between approx 1980 (i.e. pre Diarm) through to about 1987 (approx the closure of Diarm).

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Why can't you just buy a gun and enjoy it.
Why does it have to involve constant worry and calculation about resale value.

Unless it's bought truly for investment purposes and nothing else, we don't seem to apply the same rules to other recreational toys bought.
If we do, we rationalize any loss in value away with the gain in pleasure of enjoyment of use and ownership during the time we had them.
..Can't take a thing with you..

Some nice looking shotguns here.
There's true craftsmen and women all over the planet.
A fine quality firearm can be from anywhere,,just as well as one that isn't.
Judge them each on their own,,not necessarily on a name.
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