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#316593 03/07/13 07:22 PM
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Hi All
Looked at a gun in a friends house today it was as follows.
10 gauge
Under-lever
Looked to have twist barrels, but had
"William Moore London Laminated Steel" on the rib.
SN 153XX
Hammer gun
Double triggers

That is all I remember about it, any info would be welcome.
Thanks


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mark: to be a genuine william moore gun, it should have an address on the top rib as well as the makers name. if there is no address then it is most likely a birmingham or belgian knock off.


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I have a buddy that has one that has very nice dimensions


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Hi Subgauge.
I have two addresses for William Moor.

1 1818 William Moor & Co. 43 Old Bond Street London
2 1838 William Moor 78 Edgware Road London

1844-53 William Moor & Grey Edgware Road London


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Be cautious as there was someone making guns using just the name William Moore London that were not the true William Moore of Moore and Grey fame who was a respected Gunmaker. The other William produced guns of inferior quality. Lagopus.....

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Subgage,
As stated by others we need photographs and details of the proof marks to Identify the Moore Gun or for that matter any gun.
The names; Wm,Moore & Co; W.Richards and J.Manton & Co; were Folsom house brand names, engraved or stamped on inferior quality Belgian hammerguns. The Wm;Moore hammer gun sold by Folsom was priced at $13.50 in 1884.A fraction of the cost of a London made gun of the era.
H&D Folsom Arms Company was located at 312-314 Broadway New York,and was active from 1859 to circa 1930.In later years they acquired the Cresent Fire Arms Company; a fire arms manufacturing company.This business was active till circa 1930.
For the record, Folsom used over 100 different brand names on guns that they offered for sale.

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c. 1890 Wm. Moore & Co. ad, likely imported by Folsom



More information here, with a few more than 100 tradenames Roy wink
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1OxZo5Tkvx2G8eYf747QR9B5RJdN6Siu5JGIhfguSXXQ

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Drew,
Thanks for posting the review of Folsom/Crescent business and trade/brand names.
Scarcely A gunshow takes place in Ontario,without some individual turning up with a spurious Manton or W.Richards,marketed by Folsoms thinking that they have aquired a treasure worth a small fortune!


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Drew, that ilustration is not unlike a Wm. Moore gun that I had through my hands a few years ago with the crude side lever opening. The one I had did have Birmingham black powder proof marks. Maybe made in Birmingham or imported to this country where it would require proof. It was in a sorry state and of very poor quality and I de-activated it for someone in order that it could be used as a wallpiece.

Genuine William Moore guns are invariably of a high quality of craftsmanship. Here's hoping Subguage's is of good quality too. Photographs would assist greatly. Thanks. Lagopus.....

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Please do not dismiss out of hand a gun as a fake just because it dose not reach the "high standards" that you might expect .
Many gunmakers made/supplied guns to trading companies that were functional and robust for use in far off and wild places . They may have no resemblance to the stylish guns we know them to have made . I have seen guns by Wilkes that were as plain as any cheap gun turned out in Birmingham almost certainly made to be shipped out abroad . Webley made guns for the Forestry Commission, a government body set up after WW1 to oversee planting and production of timber in the UK ,these were plainly finished the most basic wood etc built to a contract price as were Webley revolvers in what was referred to as "War Finish" no external polishing apart from clothing off where necessary .
Yes there are fakes and high jacked names but nnot all are.

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