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Not sure I understand this. If you are still suggesting that Universal Backround Checks will stop, or even slow down illegal straw purchases, I think you are very wrong.

First off, as we have repeatedly said, most criminals get their guns from illegal sources with theft being the largest source. The few that are getting their guns from an FFL dealer by using a straw buyer as a middleman will still do that. And those that get their guns from a private sale will now use a straw buyer to handle the Form 4473 and NICS check. The straw buyer will then either trade the legally acquired gun to the criminal for money, drugs, sex, or food stamps. The straw buyer won't become a felon until the gun is left at a crime scene where it can be traced back to them, and they are charged tried, and convicted. When that straw buyer can no longer legally buy a gun, the criminals will find another drug addict or prostitute to buy whatever gun that they wish. And of course, they will continue to get the vast majority from the crack-head who breaks in and steals your collection.

The straw buyer can also claim, as craigd has pointed out, that the gun they bought was stolen. They can buy several guns and claim they all were stolen. Your baby momma daddy still get the gun and still do the drive by shooting. So the bad guys still win, and you get stuck with Gun Registration which is the beginning of the end of the Second Amendment and private ownership of firearms. Nothing changes except that you have been suckered into giving up more of your Constitutional Rights under the guise of "reasonable gun legislation".

That's it... I'm done with this. No hysteria, no name calling, no paranoia... just facts, reasoning, and the ability to learn from the history of gun control here and abroad.

So are you with us... or are you on Obama's side? Will you do as the Framers of the Bill of Rights warned, and jealously guard your rights, or will you be a sucker for slick talking Liberal Liars? Are you with us or against us?

Ain't no middle ground here.

Only thing I'm suggesting....is back ground checks on private gun sales.

Just like we have now on any gun we buy from a licensed gun dealer.

Which will let them know exactly who has exactly what so then they decide to put a $1,000 a year "TAX" on what is now a right...or they decide to confiscate....they know where to go.

Because right now they have NO idea who has guns bought buy your granddaddy...or your father and passed down at their death.

And they will do anything to find out....and tell any crooked lie to justify it.

jOe it's just like Bone says the government wants and needs this information to get ALL the guns, even that big blunderbuss you hunt turkeys with. I don't know about you but I trust a politician about as far as I can throw my grand-dad's anvil.

I've spent most of the last 27 years around a lot of government stuff and people. Most of it I can't discuss if you get my drift.

I've got some very real reasons to distrust politicians. Not from stuff I've heard from others...but stuff I've seen for myself.

Put more plainly, I came from a very high-level government meeting today where one department had units working toward different purposes. One could swear truthfully that it didn't know what the other was doing. My side said, of course, there is no need for you to know at this stage, is there? It's better that you don't if there's monkey business going on. We agreed that just because one sector doesn't know what's going on, there isn't another with ulterior motives---or one outside government. This isn't a revelation. It goes on everywhere. Where this notion exists that no one keeps records, scout's honour, or that they're destroyed beggars belief. Governments do what governments do.

The discussion about the government database is pretty much moot, as far as I am concerned. Even if they are not building a database right now, there will be plenty of copies of the bound books and the other transfer records from places like CA and MA and IL, and they can use those records in two years or 20 years to track and register at least some of your guns. All of the paper records have already been microfiched or digitized and it's easy do an OCR scan to convert the information to any database format they might choose. Digital information has a half life longer than uranium tailings, and it's almost impossible to erase. Like it or not, we will be screwed if they choose to screw us.

Me too, amigo. I have one of the anvils from the heat treatment area of my late Grand-dad's machine shop, and two of the Parker & Snow bench mounted vises too- plus all the good American made mikes, verniers (one Helios- made in germany) no Jap crap-- My Grandfather always advised me that sooner or later, he'd end up hiring some numbnut who could break an anvil- he was joking of course-- but as far as politics was concerned, he shared, as do I, your distrust of them ALL- he used to tell that mastering a skilled trade was man's best guarantee of earning a good and honest living- that politicians didn't start out to be that "profession" which he viewed as possibly one step up from being a whorehouse pimp, but after they had Fubared everything else in the way of an honest way of earning a living, they either became bank robbers like Dillinger, or politicians-- Dillinger robbed banks with guns and bravado (for a while) politicians robbed them with pens- like Joseph P. Kennedy Sr- when FDR made him heard of the SEC in the Dirty 30's- Old FDR must have figured that if Kennedy was crooked enough to become a millionaire with prohibition and bootlegging, and smart enough to bail out of Wall St. before the Fit hit the Shan in late Oct.1929, he was smart and crooked enough to be the right man for the task. Set a thief to catch a thief maybe?? I'll register my gun collection when the Jews decide to forgive Hitler--not until!!

There was an interesting social dynamic when the federal government introduced long gun registration in Canada. Many did not register their guns. I registered some and not others, with the expectation of reason prevailing over time.

Federal teams infiltrated every part of the country to assist gun owners to register. They made out the form, took a picture for the PAL Possession and Acquisition License and did everything but lick the stamp to send it off.

I think many citizens went along with the charade for the same reasons as mine: it was the law but more importantly it allowed me to buy ammunition and buy and sell guns and go afield without fear of carrying an unregistered gun.

For all the bravado of "from these cold hands" it was easier to go with the law, to have the pleasure of the shooting sports without being the criminal that registration had made us, and I think most Americans would, too.

I have never seen a conservation officer in the woods, near water-fowling or on rivers, lakes or streams. The same may be said for the wild open spaces of the US. But for most hunting I suspect they're there. And there's the Patriot Act.

That Act deferred to unwarranted fear and subordinated every sacred human value to it. The US debate of gun control is another dissolving phantasmagoria that has the appearance of going the same way.

your "suggestion"(which is same as Schumer,Feinstein and Obama)
as PROVEN on here by Doug,Craig,Keith, I and others

1) will have ZERO effect on crime

2) REQUIRES registration to be implemented

3) would NOT have stopped even one of those tragedy's

4) WILL lead to confiscation-as the left admits is the plan


So jOe are you with us and the NRA or do you stand with Obama,Schumer,Feinstein and Obama with "sucker" stamped on your forehead ?