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Thank you for answers to my question above.

I've been googling unsuccessfully for requirements of US gun ownership, and would appreciate knowing what is required to buy---to keep it simple---a shotgun or rifle. I read of FFLs and what appears to me to be overlapping state and federal legislation i.e. selling at gun shows or out of state etc.

I'm curious because for all Canadians have been through with background checks, burdened and getting rid of the long-gun registry, it seems to me that our system, regulated as it is, is simpler, less onerous and restrictive than what is currently legislated in the US and, from the senators above, batten your hatches!

I'm interested in the nuts and bolts, not comparisons of rights and freedoms with others. Today a gunner called who wants to sell me some interesting shotguns. I've done safety, feds done background, I have a PAL Purchase and Acquisition license and can buy or trade on the phone without reporting to anyone.

It is prohibited to buy or sell to a person without a PAL license. Canadian members may correct my understanding of the system. I mentioned this earlier because from what I'm reading here the US may be thinking of something similar because registration is clearly beyond its reach and proposed private/public record-keeping a charade.

Your thoughts, please.

Long gun (or handgun) in most states

From a 01 FFL dealer,he/she fills out a 4473 (retained ONLY in dealers records) post 1998 the dealer calls in NICS
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics
If he/she has no criminal record good to go(Record of NICS check is NOT kept)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

FTF sale in the same state from another gun owner,again most states.Seller does not sell to felon.

It should be noted that there is virtually no evidence that criminals buy guns,they steal them or kill someone to get them.

Out of 10 plus pages of comments, these two quotes above pretty much say it all........

jOe initially said he wanted the gun out of his name so he cold FEEL BETTER, what he doesn't understand, evidently, is that even if you loan a gun to someone and they kill with it, YOU DID NOT COMMIT THE CRIME AND ARE NOT LIABLE, the killer is........

King goes on and on about his Canadian registration card, so what, if your car is registered or is not and someone borrows or steals it and kills ten kids on the sidewalk ARE YOU AT FAULT....does the registration of your car STOP THE CRIME.....

Come on people, wake up and smell the roses.........

Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker didn't buy their guns at Humpy's Hardware Store over 85 years ago.....they stole them, all of them, some from a National Guard Armory, some from the police and some from private parties........SOME OF THESE GUNS WERE REGISTERED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SO WHAT.......DID IT STOP THE CRIMES THAT TOOK PLACE........

Every city U.S.A. is overrun with stolen guns of all types, some with serial numbers, but most without.....many of them for sale day in and day out.......gun crimes run rampant daily in places like Chicago, New York City, Miami....all with illegal guns......I wonder if registration will solve or slow down this continual crime spiral.....I wonder if jOes hand gun he sold will show up in Miami and the police will come knocking......duh.........

Same today, you can register whatever you want, wherever you want and it will not stop shit........registration is a useless and fruitless HIGH DOLLAR EXERCISE BY THE GOVERNMENT, WHO WILL ULTIMATELY PASS THE ENTIRE EXERCISE COST ON TO YOU AND ME.....AND THERE WILL BE NO REDUCTION IN CRIME, THEFT, OR WARM COZY FEELINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE........JUST MORE STUPID, USELESS RESTRICTIONS FORCED ON THE INNOCENT.......

IF YOU WANT TO REGISTER SOMETHING, REGISTER THE GHETTO'S IN EVERY STATE......

ABSOLUTELY THE FAILED FRONT OF STUPID PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS OR ANY INCREASED FIREARMS REGISTRATION EFFORT..........

Agree to the above, Doug. I've said registration will change nothing. Everyone here knows it and why. I've written to the senator described by Jim as a RINO, preferable to writing to the confirmed.

Thanks, Dave. An American must have a background check to buy or sell. A dealer calls NICS to confirm the buyer does not have a criminal record or conditions preventing him from possessing a firearm.

What about a person-to-person transaction within and outside a state? Who calls NICS: the buyer or seller? Do all sales and repair transactions go through FFLs? Are FFL's the go-between for gunners and the federal government?

Which raises record-keeping---or not. Canadians had reasonable expectations of registry records being destroyed because the Conservative Party of Canada which rid us of the registry is the governing party.

There is no reporting in Canada. Money is exchanged from Atlantic to Pacific to Arctic coasts; the deal is done. With government's arbitrary measures everywhere, and small-business FFLs operating on their permit, why the confidence no one is keeping records?

It doesn't ring right from all that I'm reading on this board. I'm sensitive because I've been struggling lately with governments favouring a grassroots forestry program, everyone's smiling, but there's no victory for landowners if they surrender control of their destinies.

Have your confidence in the current system but from my decades of struggling with the chicanery and dishonesty of liberal, conservative and socialist governments, sleep with an eye wide open, please.

Hey Doug, I think my comment was pretty good bordering on brilliant if I do say so myself.
It will be a chess match. Senator Reid won't make a large move until 2014 because he has too many seats up for re-election to protect. I believe there are 14 seats up for re-election in 2014 and 2 empty seats right now he is fighting for. He wants to remain majority leader, the President cannot be re-elected so he offers no help and Senator Reid will do everything in his power to delay bringing a major gun bill to the Senate floor.

That is until 2014 and if 2014 is anything like 2012 where Republicans LOST seats in both the Senate and the House Pelosi will again be Speaker and nothing will stop their agenda. Needless to say, 2014 is importtant.

King, in most states, person to person sales between residents of the same state are perfectly legal and there is no background check. As long as I don't know or have a reason to believe you cannot own a firearm I can sell it to you. That's for rifles and shotguns but, regarding the sell of handguns, I have no clue.

King,

I think you have it a bit confused,an American does not have to have a backround check to buy or sell in many cases.

If he buys from a licensed dealer 01FFL he must fill out a 4473(that no one but the dealer sees and is retained by that dealer),since 1998 a NICS call is made to,if there is no record then he passes a buys the gun-that record of the NICS is not to legal to be kept by them.That is the only case when a backround check is used-again NO record is kept

To sell or for private purchase [b]NO[b] backround check.

Most importantly there is virtually no proof that criminals buy guns they steal them.Also none of the multi shooting gun tragedy's involved guns purchased by the killer.

I think you got your wires crossed....

I'm betting the statistics will show that most criminals use guns that were purchased legally by someone else then scrupulously sold on the street.

Kind of a hood version of Obama's "fast and furious".

Ahh, now that makes sense. Maybe, we need a new 'scrupulously' law that says agents can spot inspect any 'collection' to make sure mr. straw buyer still has them. Still wondering which of these characters is going to follow laws that are already in place, and why betting carries more weight than the facts.

I'm all open for facts....