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Some monkey done took one of my stars again...
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I think you got a bad jar of "moon" jOe. Better go back up in those Tennessee hills and find someone with a better still. 
Practice safe eating. Always use a condiment.
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There's as wide a range of what is considered "sensible" on this issue as there is in the political spectrum of governments and opposition parties in both our countries representing all our citizens.
What's puzzling to me is all the spite and fulminations on this board about background checks and registration when there was hardly a peep about the Patriot Act which cuts more deeply into your privacy and sacred freedoms.
Could members explain why America blithely went along with what couldn't pass in any other modern democracy---reasonably, without the usual spite and spleen of killing the questioner, please?
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King, I'd say the Patriot Act was just the result of 911. No, we're not very proud of it anymore...Geo
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The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor... we rounded up West Coast Japanese for the duration.
Muslims dropped the Twin Towers... we passed the Patriot Act and shot a few arabs.
Germany was defeated in Spring of 1945... and Western Europe along with the British Commonwealth -- including Canada -- still relies on the USA for protection.
Without America and its guns, most of the world would be speaking German or Japanese right now. Or... having to fund their own pathetic armies.
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All true, Bob, but the British Commonwealth and Western Europe, sharing home-grown terrorists and the same jihad hit-list as the US, did not impose such draconian measures on its citizens, arguably the most nationalistic and patriotic in the world---or close to it.
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All true, Bob, but the British Commonwealth and Western Europe, sharing home-grown terrorists and the same jihad hit-list as the US, did not impose such draconian measures on its citizens, arguably the most nationalistic and patriotic in the world---or close to it. Having spent enough of the last 25 years of my life in Europe.....do you actually believe that? They have fewer rights to begin with...and there is a lot that goes on you never see on the news.
The liberals are asking us to give Obama time.
We agree, and think 25 to life would be Appropriate.
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None made laws to allow their governments to diminish citizens rights as Americans gave to their government, to root through phone records, library records of reading interests, medical records, credit card purchases etc and made it a federal crime if they reported to others they were under investigation. Not a peep.
Last edited by King Brown; 02/23/13 04:24 PM.
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None made laws to allow their governments to diminish citizens rights as Americans gave to their government, to root through phone records, library records of reading interests, medical records, credit card purchases etc and made it a federal crime if they reported to others they were under investigation. Not a peep. They don't need laws to allow them to do it in Europe..they do it already.
The liberals are asking us to give Obama time.
We agree, and think 25 to life would be Appropriate.
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Not legislated as the will of the people as the Patriot Act in the US. My question is not of comparisons. It was 911 provoked for sure but why did the US of all places permit such an unprecedented (some say unwarranted) intrusion and now make a national debate of background checks, magazines and registration, citing a slippery slope to slavery?
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