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If you have a staunch pointing dog, a la the late Burton L. Spiller's great grouse stories, then a O framed Parker in either 16 or 20 with 28" barrels and open chokes--If you have a flushing breed, perhaps the same with a tad more choke- I haven't hunted Sir Ruff in 30 some years, but my favorite gun when I was younger, lighter, fleeter of foot and had a good solid English Setter was a LeFever 20 Durston Special 28" barrels DT- fit me like a tailor made suit--like a dummy, I sold it to a friend who had always liked it better than his 20 Browning Belgian made Superposed with SST and AE-- long gone days now--


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You bet the 2" guns work in the grouse woods. That short shot string is deadly and you can carry them all day. I loved the two that I owned and wish I'd never sold them. Get one with open chokes that fits you and you will be very happy.


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Depending on the specific 16ga, you can use heavier loads than you can in a 2" 12. Those guns fall somewhere between a 28 and a 20 when it comes to shot charge. But since a lot of people hunt grouse with a 28, why not?

One thing for sure with a 2" 12ga: make sure you take enough shells with you! But then that's pretty much true of 16's and 28's too, and also 2 1/2" 12's.

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Early Fox Model B with English Stock is one of my favorites for grouse.


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I was really torn between a light 12 and a good 16. Because of the better payload options of a light 2 1/2-inch 12, I really wanted to make that work. As usual, it boiled down to time and money (the time being how much longer I wanted to wait). I looked at lots of guns that would fit the bill, but they were either too much money (I'm fairly cheap, so Lancaster 12/20s and Dickson Round Actions weren't really viable) or they didn't fit me very well (and I wasn't looking for a project). I looked fairly hard for a healthy Thomas Turner Lightweight, but almost everyone I found had major pitting problems. In the end I settled on a light 16 built on a 20 frame. It has even been re-prooved to 2 3/4-inch in 2001, so if I have to, I can use light American shells.

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Fox CE, 1923, 6lbs.,11oz.,26" barrels, a warm day in Phillips, WI.


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oh, an den der is mah 16 ga ithaca pump gon...

24" barrel, including versatile polychoke. weighs just 6 pounds!

hit is awl so mah deer an turkie killin machine...luv dat poly choke!


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Originally Posted By: ed good
oh, an den der is mah 16 ga ithaca pump gon...

24" barrel, including versatile polychoke. weighs just 6 pounds!

hit is awl so mah deer an turkie killin machine...luv dat poly choke!
Now Ed.....that was a good 'UN. Funny.


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Originally Posted By: Lloyd3
I was really torn between a light 12 and a good 16. Because of the better payload options of a light 2 1/2-inch 12, I really wanted to make that work. As usual, it boiled down to time and money (the time being how much longer I wanted to wait). I looked at lots of guns that would fit the bill, but they were either too much money (I'm fairly cheap, so Lancaster 12/20s and Dickson Round Actions weren't really viable) or they didn't fit me very well (and I wasn't looking for a project). I looked fairly hard for a healthy Thomas Turner Lightweight, but almost everyone I found had major pitting problems. In the end I settled on a light 16 built on a 20 frame. It has even been re-prooved to 2 3/4-inch in 2001, so if I have to, I can use light American shells.


Lloyd, what proof pressure did they mark on that gun? 2001, should be expressed in bars. Thanks.

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Milt,
You have stepped in my footprints around Phillips ! What--a Fox?
Where was your Elsie?
See you at Sanford?

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