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Back ground checks on private gun sales
Do we need it ?
I think we do....to stop what is referred to as straw buyers. Take cities like Chicago with strict gun laws and yet the number of shootings rank at the top in the nation. (Truth is I'd as soon give them all the guns they want and let them kill each other off)
In Memphis a gun shop here is rated one of the top (if not the top) in nation for guns sold that later end up somewhere in violent crimes....this isn't happening because of people like me and you. It's quite scarey to go in the store and look at the clientele....it's not uncommon to hear...."man i'z look'n fr an A Ra' 47 or an Uewzi" and they are legally selling the hell out of guns.
I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the guns were bought legally by blacks and later sold to thugs either intentionally or non intentionally.
Only thing that's going to stop it is to make it where the only way an individual can sell a gun is to go through a licensed dealer and transfer ownership through the registration process that's already in place.
There was another gun shop here owned by a fellow named Glen Faulk who refused to sell guns, ammunition or magazines to a black person unless they met his visual and then verbal screening qualifications....I've been in there several times when one of the brothers came in looking for big magazines or 9 mm ammo and witnessed Glen tell them he didn't have any with them in plain sight...if questioned he'd reply those are sold. I've saw them ask to look at a Glock sitting in the display case and Glen would tell them "it's sold". Sadly Glen has passed....his tales of being sunk at sea twice in WW II will always be remembered by me.
A few years back I sold a hand gun to a guy....I called my buddy at the gun shop and asked him should we come in and transfer ownership to him he said no just get his drivers license number....which I did.
Truth is I'd just as soon gotten the gun out of my name.
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Universal Gun Registration on all gun sales
Do we need it ?
I think we do....to stop what is referred to as straw buyers. Take cities like Chicago with strict gun laws and yet the number of shootings rank at the top in the nation. (Truth is I'd as soon give them all the guns they want and let them kill each other off)
In Memphis a gun shop here is rated one of the top (if not the top) in nation for guns sold that later end up somewhere in violent crimes....this isn't happening because of people like me and you. It's quite scarey to go in the store and look at the clientele....it's not uncommon to hear...."man i'z look'n fr an A Ra' 47 or an Uewzi" and they are legally selling the hell out of guns.
I'm willing to bet that a high percentage of the guns were bought legally by blacks and later sold to thugs either intentionally or non intentionally.
Only thing that's going to stop it is to make it where the only way an individual can sell a gun is to go through a licensed dealer and transfer ownership through the registration process that's already in place.
There was another gun shop here owned by a fellow named Glen Faulk who refused to sell guns, ammunition or magazines to a black person unless they met his visual and then verbal screening qualifications....I've been in there several times when one of the brothers came in looking for big magazines or 9 mm ammo and witnessed Glen tell them he didn't have any with them in plain sight...if questioned he'd reply those are sold. I've saw them ask to look at a Glock sitting in the display case and Glen would tell them "it's sold". Sadly Glen has passed....his tales of being sunk at sea twice in WW II will always be remembered by me.
A few years back I sold a hand gun to a guy....I called my buddy at the gun shop and asked him should we come in and transfer ownership to him he said no just get his drivers license number....which I did.
Truth is I'd just as soon gotten the gun out of my name. Hey Joe- we don't need the registration BS- we need more guys like your pal the late Glenn Falk-- Our dealer here in an area that gets some Hispanics in season (lots of apples and vine grapes) for the Manuel-Labor they excel at apparently-if they come in looking to buy any: firearms, magazine or ammo- tells them he must see a valid photo MI driver's license (SOP for all gun sales here in MI- so no PITA ACLU lawyers need concern themselves) their employer's name, phone number and address, a valid paycheck or stub, a Green card, and a Passport- if they pass all that, he has them fill out the 4473 NICS and gets both their drivers license and ss numbers- calls it in with them standing behind the counter on a designated phone ( a dummy) as they can't hear what is NOT coming in the earpiece- then after a few minutes pause, tells them they will have to come back 3 days later, as there is an apparent "computer" problem- then they can pay for their gun- when they come back, the gun has been "sold" and what is Speedy Gonzales, making campensino/peon wages going to do- hire a lawyer and sue him? Problemo- Finito, Y muy bien alreadedor!!!!
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Joe and Fox have just written the best posts I have read on the internet in a long time.
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Registration is the penultimate goal of the gun grabbers. It is a Necessary step in order to be able to confiscate firearms which is the socialist's true ultimate goal.
Firearms registration must be fought at all costs because not only is it worthless (Think Canada here) but it's expensive with a cost in the billions. However if all firearms were registered confiscation would be relatively easy as was done with "assault weapons" in california.
I personally think less Americans would comply than the Canadians did before they scrapped their system.
Jim
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Why would anyone assume that the great majority of guns used in crime in Chicago are aquired legally? If you are a hood on the streets of south, you don't have to work that hard to get a gun.
Like Jim says, a similar boondoggle was attempted in Canada. Billions poured into it, not a single crime prevented or solved to show for it. Scrapped.
No need to repeat history or not learn from the mistakes of others.
Best,
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This proves Homey jOe is unbalanced.
Yep... all dem bruthers gonna register every gun dat come outa some B&E.
Sho nuf, man!
It's dat bro in the White House we gotta stop!
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I think jOe has written one of the worst post I've seen on the internet about this subject. This is a general thought about compromise and sounding reasonable, and shooting oneself in the foot. I'm all for stopping crime, but there are laws in place that could be enforced and if stories like the Memphis shop are true, then they are true without registration. If jOe wants a gun out of his name, then do whatever he thinks would work for him, why drag three hundred some odd more million folks along with it.
Personally, I don't suspect confiscation of all guns is a true goal. I believe a more likely goal is to slowly make general ownership distastefully costly through registration, annual licensing and death taxing for inheritance. The eventual smaller number of holdouts will gladly be seen as a tax on the rich and the revenue will gladly be wasted.
Why doesn't someone just wake up one morning and proclaim the government will abolish all paperwork and start distributing ten free guns of choice to every citizen who filled out a return. Then look to the left and start negotiating. Maybe give them back a little of what they want, say cut the number to five free guns. Where's the flaw in the logic. Why not just start a federal progun campaign, call it antismoking or we need universal healthcare and within time it will be so.
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Not only do they(blacks) sell their legal guns to the bad guys they lose them in games of chance or have them taken from them from bigger and meaner brothers in altercations that are never reported to police. This is a common thing here in Blackhawk county Iowa and is documented by my own experience and that of the leo's that I know.
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confiscation would be relatively easy as was done with "assault weapons" in california. As is often the case, you are misinformed. Confiscation has been and is being proposed in CA, but it has never been passed by the state legislature nor has it ever been signed into law. The CA "assault weapons" ban did not require confiscation, but prevents the sale or transfer of certain guns within the state. Owners of grandfathered or banned guns are free to move them out of state or to sell them to buyers in other states.
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[quote=italiansxs]Registration is the penultimate goal of the gun grabbers. It is a Necessary step in order to be able to confiscate firearms which is the socialist's true ultimate goal.
Firearms registration must be fought at all costs because not only is it worthless (Think Canada here) but it's expensive with a cost in the billions. However if all firearms were registered confiscation would be relatively easy as was done with "assault weapons" in california.
I personally think less Americans would comply than the Canadians did before they scrapped their system.
Jim [/quoteI couldn't agree more, Jim. I am a NRA Life member, and many years ago, my first wife was taking the girls over across the bridge from Detroit (her home town, and today a sewer, like Chicago, reeling from corrupt mayors, etc.) to her folks' summer cottage just East of Windsor-- when the Customs official on the Canadian side spotted the NRA membership sticker on the rear lower bumper, he ordered her to pull aside and they searched the car and the luggage for firearms, especially a handgun. They found none, but told her that they were trained to do this on all vehicles entering Canada with any form own stickers than might infer gun ownership. They were polite- when she called me later on, I told her to scrape the sticker off-which she did- when they returned to America, they sailed through without a hitch. I do NOT have any stickers or hunting/gun related insignia on any of our vehicles- and when we go to area gun shows in Grand Rapids or Lansing, we park the vehicle 3-4 blocks from the facility and walk- so no BATFE Gestapo-types can get our license plate numbers. Just a precaution-
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