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 Marks on Lindner Daly SBT with 555768 including Schilling forge marks, H.A. Lindner's quality control mark and initials RS. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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It is D.R.M.S. & a 1st guess is Deutsches Reich Musterschutz which I don't know to exist and I would define it as a registered trademark or design protection, with emphasis here on the later. Any D.R.M.S. experts around?
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In order to have protection under the German law seeing that a Gebrauchsmuster - utility model filed in German protects the technology in the country of establishment, a non-residence of Germany would have to acquire a resident respresentative. The Gebrauchsmuster, or model of utility, protects only the 1st applicant. A new arrangement or new configuration for a practical application has full protection as a Gebrauchsmuster. For now I don't think the acronym matters whether D.R.G.M. or D.R.M.S( Deutschen Reichs Gebrauchsmuster Schutz ). The filing fee was 15 Marks and warranted protection for the 1st 3 years. An extension of 3 additional years would cost you an additional 60 marks. The extension of the Gebrauchsmuster was advertised just like the initial but it was in a column noting the payment of 60 Marks. Post WWI the fees grew to 60 Marks for the application and 150 Marks for the 3 year extension. Fine for infringement could be up to 5000 Marks. If for some reason your Gebrauchsmuster was rejected, 1/2 of the application/filing fee was returned(this may have been post 1913??).
The following conditions had to be met:
An Application;
The title wherein the model is to be registered;
A statement of the new arrangement or configuration which was to be protected;
A receipt for 15 Marks paid to the Patent Office, or a guarantee that it will arrive at the same instance as the application;
The name, profession and residence of applicant or representative;
Signature of filling applicant noting profession & address;
A picture or facsimile of model either on bristol or cardboard no less than 33cm x 21cm, with a max of 33cm in one direction and a maximum dimension of 50cm X 50cm;
A power of attorney for applicant if a resident representative has been engaged;
All instruments to be filed in duplicate and having dimensions no less than 33cm X 21cm
A D.R.P. on the other hand had a filing fee of 20 Marks, a 30 Mark charge for the 1st year; a 50 Mark charge for the 2nd year and an additional 50 marks, or 50 mark increase/year, for each additional year to 15 years.
Some sort of new patent laws were drafted circa 1913, with each of the 1st 5 years having a 50 Mark/year fee and the additional extensions were a progressive 50 Mark/year increase with a max charge of 3500 Marks, which would have been 5280 Marks prior to the new law.
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Raimey
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Ken, I hope you stop by on this never ending thread(I hope there are still a few hardcore enthusiasts), but I ran across a 1909 S,D&G advert for a single barrel Daly. Is there a difference between the SBT and the Single Barrel Daly and can you reveal the source for the 1912 date. I've committed your 2008 GGCA article in volume #37 at page 10 to memory and I cannot find an earlier date than 1912 for a SBD(Single Barrel Daly).  1909 Advert  1909 Advert http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=291216#Post291216Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Schoverling, Daly & Gales at the end of their run, probably in the mid to late 1920s, possibly 1927, partnered with Akt. - Ges. Lignose Berlin-Suhl for their Modell Simplex or Modell Nr. 723. http://www.soldusa.com/rainworx/detail.asp?id=20981&pic=2#img"This is a gun imported by Schoverling Daly & Gales from Ges. Lignose, Berlin, Germany. The rib is stamped “Schoverling Daly & Gales, New York”. The barrels are stamped on both sides of the rib “AKT. – Ges. Lignose, Berlin-Suhl”." - Serial Nr. 10036.     Advert lifted from Martin's post here: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=180578
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Interersting sideplated Charles Daly, & price, on this listing: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327289129 It has Krupp 3 Ringe Weapons Grade Steel tubes but it was proofed, and more than likely completed, by in Zella-Mehlis. Can't really see the date but it looks like 1932 or 1933. With this example I'm curious how many sideplated Charles Daly boxlocks there were?  Can't really read the rib but I'm curious if the term Regent is in there? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=327314044This listing for a Charles Daly - Sauer is also curious as there appears to be not one mark pointing toward Sauer. It has a Krupp tubeset knitted by M. Sch. if I read it correctly. It fits in the odd 26k serialization found on some post WWI Dalys. I would guess Adamy & I'm curious if Max Schleestien was one of Gebrüder Adamy subcontractors?    It experienced proof in April 1930 and has Sl tubes which may point to Belgian sourcing. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey,
In regard to the first Daly you provided a link to above - i.e., the "sideplated Daly Regent" - I have never seen a Daly of this type ever offered or advertised.
To my knowledge SD&G never marked their regent diamond quality guns in this manner and the level of embelishment of this gun is totally inconsistent with any regent diamond quality Daly gun I have ever seen.
It is a nice gun, but not at the standard or style of Daly regent diamond quality gun. To be honest, my first reaction was that the "Regent Daly" marking on the rib was spurious and intended to dupe the uninformed. While the final, post-SD&G production of "Prussian Dalys" did expand to include several manufactures, I would be totally shocked to find out that this gun was really a Daly. Seems kind of odd that the only Daly marking on the gun is some crude scratching on the rib.
Best reagrds,
Ken
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Thanks Ken for chiming in & I thought the same but after starring at it for some time I think it reflects the situation of S,D&G or Charles Daly at the time. I sincerely believe that they sourced the mechanics of Zella-Mehlis for this example. For now I do not think it to be a fake. Any idea of the proof date of the last Prussian Daly?
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  It wears the export type stamp and also has a Purdey nose lockup that is sometimes seen on sidelocks. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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