doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com re Otto Bock Berlin

The stamp after the steel type on the B. Merkel sourced Carl Gr�ndig peddled sporting weapon doesn't appear to be the same but something of a R & K intertwined??? But the tube maker's marks lower on the tube may or may not be the same. The intertwined J&Y is typically seen on the upper rung sporting weapons peddled by the high end waffenh�ndlers.





Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Also I forgot to note I believe that some of these stamps are some combination of German cursive.



Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

the 'Krupp-Laufstahl' with bullets in your photo of the Robert Sch�ler and also the mark behind it is identical on my gun
(no Krupp Rings)
Also, in your photo there is what looks like a capital letter'D' on the center barrel behind the lug.
This letter 'D' is also on my gun
I have taken this as an inspection mark, but am not certain.
Does this mean that the barrels at least have gone through the same workshop?

just behind the date stamp




Best regards
G�nter
NRA Life 1974

could the 'double duck' mark be a letter Z in cursive?
(perhaps intertwined with another letter)
the other mark after the Krupp Laufstahl bullet, which also appears on my gun but only as a fragment I can't make out - perhaps something to do with Krupp Laufstahl?
Looks to me like a walking man in your photo

Best regards
G�nter

Shops, yes the same shops. I've been preaching, probably to the choir, but all of these upper rung Waffenh�ndlers sourced the same small pool of very talented mechanics. So if you take the marks on all of these firearms merchants and sort them, more than likely it is going to really narrow the filed of which mechanic did what. A D is common on most non-Sauer sporting weapons noting some component sourcing and from memory it may just point to Gebr�der Decker or Deneke & Company. If one searches articles by Fredrik Franzen, his articles on upper rung offerings may have similar stamps.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I still think the "double duck" stamp is an intertwined J&Y but let me still search for a better image of the stamp. Otto Bock sourced the whole of the continent so I wouldn't attach much to the serial number until the marks have been accounted.

Z-M sourced with Louis Kelber tubes:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=159483&page=3


This E. Kerner appears to have been started earlier that 1943 but it may have similar stamps after the bullet on the Krupp Steel stamp. E. Kerner could be another choice of the K in a rhombus.


Note the script L as typical. I don't think the Boys Kelber let anything but quality out of their shop(s).

F.W. Vandrey thread:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=160489&page=2


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I just have to make more room to pen on the back of my hand references to these marks!! Or assemble all the data. I finally found for what I was searching. Most of the answers are here on the site.


Gebr�der Heym Suhl founded in 1913 - I seem to recall that Walter Steiner was a lockmaker in the 1930s onward at Schlagetera�e 43 while Richard and Bruno(& Emil?) Heym were at the helm. The firm may have ceased in 1948.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=233293&page=all


Hermann Weihrauch Zella-Mehlis O/U late 1940s


Most of the time a tube wears a brace of these J&Y/double duck stamps but this R.G. Owen/Amrusch is one that wears a single, possibly noting only 1 task.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=231195#Post231195

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
thanks for all the new information.
Now that I have seen the 'double duck' for the first time clear in close up, it does look like a J and a Y

I could try and send that close-up photo to the Waffenmuseum Suhl, perhaps they have an answer
Would that be OK? (it's not my photo)

Best regards from England

G�nter
NRA Life 1974

I believe it is Chipmaker's and I would assume he would like to know also, although I don't expect to glean much info.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Looks to be 3 of those intertwined J&Y on this A. Sch�n Suhl.


A. Schoen Gewehrfabrik Suhl - June 1929.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse