doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com re Otto Bock Berlin

G�nter, I lose the concern in the mid 1930s. Don't forget his loyal companion. It is difficult to search with other Otto Bocks in Berlin(established in 1873):


As far as I can tell this is not our beloved Otto Bock and if not some of his info may be entangled in the info thus far.


Info suggest Otto Bock, Senior, was a whale of a taxidermist and he must have had multiple Royal appointments:

"Otto Bock K�niglich Hoflieferant Tierausstopferei und Jagdger�te Handlung Berlin W 8 Kronenstrasse 7
Kollektion ausgestopfter Fischfeinde "

"Hoheit der Gro�herzog haben dem Otto Bock, Inhaber einer Waffenhandlung und Tierausstovferei in Berlin, das Pr�dikat als �Hoflieferant" zu verleihen geruht. Neustrelitz, den 23. April 1906."
This is an April 1906 dubbing but he advertised as being a supplier from circa 1900/1901 onwards.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The 1906 was a dubbing from the Grand Duke whose seat was in Neustrelitz, different, I suppose, from the earlier 1898-1900 verleihungen.

As to the other Otto Bock:
"Ziegelei" are brickworks, so the Otto Bock the Ziegelei-Ingenieur was a specialist in brickwork (firebrick, probably) for "steam", falsework, chalk, gypsum and cement factories. He appears to have written a pair of books about bricks and brickmaking.

He might have been a customer of Otto the Hoflieferant, but that would have been the extent of it.

From a Who's Who in Germany 1896, published in 1897 Otto Bock is listed a supplier to the court for antlers, taxidermy and apparently dabbled as a sculptor? So it is a little earlier that 1900 but his adverts up to 1894 do not have the appointment but have him at the same Kronenstra�e 7.

Otto Bock, Hoflief.(Hoflieferant) Sr.(Seiner) Maj.(Majest�t) des Kaisers, Berlin W., Kronenstr. 7. Fernspn-Amt I, 1999. Jagdausr�stung, Hirschhornwarenfabrik, Tierausstopferei, Bildhauerei.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Baumgarten & I have been chasing the early Polid Antikorro serialization from some time. He has a tubeset with No. 280 and this Otto Bock peddled sidelock has No. 270. Very difficult to tell but the stamp just forward of the flats may be a set of crossed palms like that seen on Paul Scholberg's examples.








Otto Bock


Paul Scholberg with Poldi Tubes with a S surmounted over crossed palms.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Hi all,

still searching for information on my Otto Bock BBF.
I have learned a lot about Suhl guns of the period, and Otto Bock for that matter, but unfortunately nothing that brings me much nearer the answer as to who actually made the gun.
(Apparently the company of 'Otto Bock' existed until 1945)

Schmidt & Habermann was a hot contender, but apparently their serial numbers would not quite have reached 366005 in 1939.

the search goes on

While reading through the threads here a few days ago,
I came across a mention of a mark on barrels that looks like a double J (?)
I think that it was said these marks were doubled -
i.e. 2 double J marks?
Of course, I cannot now find it again - getting old, should have bookmarked it!

I had another, very close look at the barrels today and I found these marks partially hidden under the british proof marks! At least I think that's what it is...









the only mark that I found on the net which is similar, is the old Sauer & Sohn trademark, but it's not really close - unless there were variations of it?



I am hoping that these marks may get me a step further in my search, if anyone knows what they are.
Also, if there is some information on serial numbers out there - has anyone come across a pre-WWII Suhl gun with a serial number around 360xxx where the maker is known?

Even knowledgeable people in Germany are intrigued by the high number!

I refrain from making any comments about last tuesday as otherwise I would probably be arrested, should I visit the US of A during the next 2 years!

Best regards
from England

G�nter
NRA Life 1974

I've seen both stamps many times but not positive to whom they might belong. The one closer to the steel type stamp is something like a wide WK while the other looks to be an interlaced JY or YJ. The marks are common for the time period. Let me see if I can find a better image.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Gunter:
Below is what I remember to be an E. Schmidt & Habermann/Oscar Merkel & Co on the floorplate with similar stamps along with MERCO. It has the Kelber script L as well as the interlaced J&Y. I had referred to this pair as a double duck stamp as if you view it from the side it does somewhat resemble a duck head. Anyway, let me search for additional images as well as a maker with a 366xxx range serial number.



http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=183924&page=all

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
thanks for that.
I would be very grateful if you could find any information on the serial number. As according to answers from Germany the number - judging by a photograph provided - seems to be original (without an 'added' figure), there must have been one of the makers in Suhl who used that particular range of serial numbers in 1939.



Do you have any info on what the interlaced J&Y (or 'double duck')might stand for?
I have made a comparison in PhotoDraw of your picture and the marks on my gun and attach it here.
I absolutely think you are right and that the marks are identical. Please correct me if I'm wrong



Having spent the last two years trawling the forums on my quest
and taking the information found, mainly provided by this forum, so far the possible makers of my Otto Bock BBF seem to be Schmidt&Habermann/Oscar Merkel or possibly Bernhard Merkel.
The main problem still is the question of the high serial number.

Comparing the pictures I have seen on this and other forums on german double guns, the action of my Otto Bock seems very similar to the above mentioned makers.
Perhaps someone can confirm my observation or confute it?
Here a picture again:



Best regards from England

G�nter
NRA LIFE 1974

My 1st guess is on of the Jaeger klan but um if, if I had much of the data acquired on makers in a searchable format(M-4 will love this) then some predictions could be made. I think many were consumed with ramping up for the war effort and the number of sporting weapons tube makers may have been a small pool.

On Otto Bock, on more than one occasion I have seen these trademarks attributed to him.


He must have thought he was twice as good as Sauer with the double Herkules, whatever with a piece of wood in hand.


Not sure on the animals.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The stamp after the bullet on the Krupp steel type stamp is what I think yours also wears. This Robert Sch�ler wears this mark.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse