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Here is a good example of Kilby Damascus [img:left]  [/img]
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Thanks all...It makes good sense as there was alot of pigeon gambling in this area. OK...here's my second attempt at shooting this Cashmore to capture the contrast      This last photo is the Niagara County Shooting Club c1884 That Stevens tip-up held by the woman 3rd from the right is still in my family In the late 1800's there were so many trap shooting clubs in Niagara County that there was a scarcity of pigeons which led to at least three companies who manufactured glass and composition round target balls in that county alone...Shooters from across NYS poured into Niagara Falls to shoot, often at a buck a shot (to start) back when you could buy a working farm for around $300. The scarcity of live birds along with the demand for gambling led to live sparrow shoots in Tonawanda.
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Almost forgot to mention...on a boxlock the screw near the top of the action usually, but not always, indicates safety interceptors...or so I'm hoping...if anyone else is interested in seeing the innards, I've been considering taking it apart to clean and photograph it...thanks again 
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Robert, I obtained an old Cashmore very similar to yours in that it has intercepting sears and the knuckles in the forearm ahead of the iron (which identifies it as a Scott product),however mine has a square crossbolt(another Scott feature),steel barrels,reinforced top and bottom tangs on action,very fine full coverage scroll with Cashmore name in banner,reinforced lever forend fastener (as found on double rifles)with screws on either side that go into sde of forend iron as found on Prussian Dalys.I believe that this gun was built by Scott and finished by Cashmore based on its features.The S/N is very close to this one,but I haven't a clue when it was built.Does anyone have S/N info on these guns? I will try to post photos soon. Marcus
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Robert,
Is there an A&D APUN on the standing breech?
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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The Monte Carlo Taubenschiessstand must have been a site to behold:    Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Sandlapper,
I don't doubt what you've said but I've always associated that fore arm treatment with Birmingham stock makers in general...I.ve owned Greeners with that feature and a J V Needham as well.
"Reinforced top and bottom tangs" is new to me...I can't even picture it... I thought that Manufrance was the only gunmaker that used tang reinforcements (Ideal model only).
And the "steel eyes" often seen on Prussian Daly's (and other Prussian guns) I thought was an ejector hammer axel as other Prussian Daly's without ejectors do not have the so-called "steel eyes".
I think you just answered yout own question about date of manufacture...if you serial# is close to my serial#...and your gun is treble wedgefast (Greener crossbolt) then both of these guns should be easily dated by the British patent record or Greeners book "The Gun"
Can't wait to see your photos
Raimey, no other marks on the standing breech or the action flats except for two small proofs (crossed halberds) in each flat.
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Thanks Leighton Another example of Greener's 'Silver Steel' refinished by Paul Stevens. The ribband weld lines are apparent showing this is 3 iron. Greener made both 'Silver Steel' and Laminated Steel, and his, and Kilby's, would be 'British Best 3 Iron Laminated Steel', the winner of the 1891 Proof House Trial https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA  'Silver Steel' has a bit of a 'whorl'
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Robert: This is an image from the 1905 N.Y. State Tournament scanned from Researcher's 1905 Baker Gun Quarterly. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the results reported in Sporting Life. All the 'Top Guns' no doubt attended. I've tried to ID Harvey McMurchy; possibly sitting left front holding a long barrel shotgun  
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Thank you Drew...wish I knew where the clubhouse above was...or even the name of the club...somewhere I have material about McMurchy but as a LC Smith employee not Baker...I'll have to revisit that stuff...is there anything in particular I should look for other than a picture of McMurchy? I didn't think anyone was interested in Harvey...it's good to see ...I think he was friends of Curtiss and Wadsworth, two other well known LC Smith employees
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