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Hi all,
Have a Voigtlaender 4X Skoparette with a slide on sidemount on a H. Barella 20x20/8x72r. Rifle shoots 7.5 in. low at 50yds. Elevation dial is unmarked as to direction or increments. Can somebody help me with instructions? Hate to tinker much with a 90 year old scope.
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 Is your arrangement similar? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Raimey, the compleet history about the "Voigtländer" can be find in the Ernst Steigleder catalog if you have one.
If not I scan the page and send it to you so that you can post the info.
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Bauer, all these old German scopes have neither increments nor clicks built into their elevation turrets, all adjustments, both elevation (by scope turret) and windage (by scope mounts)are by trial and error. They have one thing in common: turn the "disk" right to make the gun shoot higher, left for "down". The disks were then to be marked, often with scratches, for the distances the individual gun was sighted in. Many scopes have a seperate washer with a single line screwed on top that may be moved seperately without diturbing reticle adjustment. these wer meant to be aligned after sighting in the rifle. In your case, to make the gun shoot about 7" higher, I would turn the elvation disc clockwise for about 1/8" and shoot again to see how much the poi has moved, then guess how much you have to move again. OK, it is time- and ammo consuming, but an old-style boresighter/collimator helps a lot.
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Is your arrangement similar? Kind Regards, Raimey rse Need a magnifier to be sure, auld deutsch script style, but looks like it means-- Long sections of lenses contained in one cover (tube?)--
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Herr Ellenberg kennet Deutsche und Europaische Feuerwaffen sowie ein Braumesiter dem Reinheitsgebot von 1516- Prosit!!
"The field is the touchstone of the man"..
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Just a hint,from watching Walter Grass sighting these things in. After the first shot, align the reticle with the bullet hole,hold the rifle in this position and adjust the reticle to the desired aim point(center of target,1 1/2",2 1/2" high,etc). Shoot again and readjust if necessary.Windage,of course, is in the mounts.
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Längsschnitt eines Linsen Zielfernrohres, correct you are there Francis.  Strahlengang in einem Linsenzielfernrohre Lense arrangement from 1908 article  Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Foxy, see if these images are any easier on your eyes.    Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Längsschnitt eines Linsenzielfernrohres
Strahlengang in einem Linsenzielfernrohre A more accurate translation would be "A longitudinal cutaway view of an optical telescopic sight" and "The path taken by the rays of light in an optical telescopic sight".
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Hi all,
Yes Raimey the turret is as in your pictures, only the Skoparette has an enlarged objective body. Kuduae, took your advice, turned the dial 1/4 turn right and much to my surprise it came the full 7.5 in. to the point of aim!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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I was trying to see if I had a Skiparette but I found a Skopare/Skopar F, which didn't have any notches atop but I have a Skopar somewhere with notches and a single mount Oigee with 2 marks that make a V. I have a Ajack that has numbers atop of it but I'm not sure if the marks are original or not.
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Raimey
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Who would you gentlemen recommend for the restoration of one of these fine scopes?
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I found these with google. Don Miller PO Box 400639 Hesperia,Ca.92340 USA pfadfinder03@yahoo.com http://www.nickel-ag.com/en/repairservice.aspx
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Längsschnitt eines Linsenzielfernrohres
Strahlengang in einem Linsenzielfernrohre A more accurate translation would be "A longitudinal cutaway view of an optical telescopic sight" and "The path taken by the rays of light in an optical telescopic sight". Danke!!
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 1908 Skopare Advert  Typical reticle variations image from circa 1907. I guess I've seen more early scopes with example #4 than the rest. Nr. 2 is a variation that is given as a choice for dynamic targets. Most interesting is the evolution of adaptation of a magnification device on a sporting weapon. Entrance, exit pupils, inverted images, etc. all come into play as well as eye relief which fell in the 4 - 8cm range with the 6 - 8cm subset being the optimal. In rummaging thru some scopes, the Boys Ellenburg took keen interest and it was difficult to get the youngest of 5 years to understand the full field of view concept thru eye relief. He wants to reverse the optics, so he may be a potential long distance shooter. But now they want to attach magnification to all longarms. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Is your arrangement similar? Kind Regards, Raimey rse Need a magnifier to be sure, auld deutsch script style, but looks like it means-- Long sections of lenses contained in one cover (tube?)-- No. It's "longitudinal cross-section of a refracting rifle scope."
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Dave - a very minor point but there is no such thing as a "longitudinal cross section"
A cross section is a section taken at right angles to the long axis.
A section taken thru the long axis is a "longitudinal" section or in German, "Längsschnitt"
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You're correct.
Longitudinal section of a refracting rifle scope.
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I take it that you figured out that the set screw is to hold the setting of the elevation... supposed to loosen it before turning, and then reset it. Good luck with it. I had a Voightlander fixed power with single post reticle in claw mounts once. It functioned OK, but the tube was the metric equivalent of 7/8 inch, so was not as bright as I desired at the time. Deutsch Optik at one time did refurbishing on older german scopes. Steve
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