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We know that WR made some of the finest guns in the world, both shotguns and double rifles, of course they could make SLE's if they wanted to. Just because they didn't make them does not mean thay couldn't make them. Perhaps their own best craftsmen concentrated on their best BLE's and drop locks, and the small numbers of SLE's ordered would have meant that customers had to wait longer (perhaps too long) to get their guns? The easiest and fastest way was of course to order finished guns from the Birmingham trade.

Scott seems to have used an heavy oak leaf motif from time to time on some of their fancy stuff.

From the above it would seem that my Lefevers, Baker & even the old J Stevens I used to have are all "Screw Grips". I had always been under the impression that Larry's description was the proper one for a "Screw Grip" Scott.

400 NE, if you pull up the link that cloffe posted back on P. 2, to a catalog from 1914, you'll find the company's description of the Webley screw grip. The accompanying drawing clearly shows that the spindle is threaded. (See Side 5.) Likewise, Ron Forsyth's article in Shooting Sportsman (The Ubiquitous Screw-Grip, Sept/Oct 02) includes an even clearer drawing of the Webley-Brain patent of 1882. That drawing also shows, quite clearly, a threaded spindle.

A big Thank you for all of the helpful information and comments. I wil look around for a copy of the 1922 Webley catalog. Larry, yes the spindle is threaded, you can see it plain as day :-) The gun is at Gunter Pfrommers work shop getting a once over and new "Silvers" pad installed, cant wait to get it back!

Dustin

Thanks, Dustin. Neat gun, for sure, and with that clarification there's no doubt it's a screw grip.

Could be Rocketman, but isn't the oakleaf motif usually carried thru-out the gun. I'd say by the action's typical Birmingham engraving, the fences were done-up as an aftermarket thing.

Cloffe, Westley made many more rough guns than best quality.
The old Westley Richards Agency was just down the road from me, and I looked at a plenty, and passed on all but one double rifle.
A very spartan double rifle, right out of India.
No doubt a loaner of the Raj!
I did add a workingman's Westley 12b sometime later on - it was no gem.

Your very nice W.&S. is their model 500 "Proprietary" grade made from 1924-1950 [See picture on page 29, in "The history of W&C.
Scott]. The model 701 made in later years, was of the same high quality, but lacked the oak leaf engraving on the fences.

I have seen the same style engraved fences on a model 701, sold in a blue-lined case a couple of years back at Holt's . Made £2000.