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#282770 - 06/27/12 05:11 PM Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun
GlobalKooler Offline
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Registered: 12/17/10
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I have a Double Barrel Percussion shotgun, 12 ga. The locks are engraved (right side a dog pointing quail, left a dog chasing a rabbit. The tang is scroll engraved as is the trigger guard assy. The is a silver shield enlayed in the stock behuind the tang. Each lock is marked whitney. The rib is marked Time Laminated Steel Twist The barrels are definitely twist construction. The hammers have a half cok position. There are no markings anywhere else except on the underside of the barrels. The left has crown over V and what looks like tiny buffalo horns. The right barrel has a crown over R, the same buffalo horns and a 19.4 The barrels measure just under 32" overall and the OAL is 47 1/2" I am looking for any information as to when this gun was made and anything else in the way of identification. Is it a Whitney Armory made or Whitneyville Armory made or a Whitney Arms Co. made. I have not removed the butt plate as I did not want to disturb anything. Thanks for any input. Bill

















Edited by GlobalKooler (06/28/12 05:08 PM)
Edit Reason: Add hammer info.

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#282810 - 06/27/12 08:32 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
Lorne Offline
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Pictures of everything on the barrel flats would be helpful here. It sounds as if you are describing a Birmingham proof mark. It is very likely that Whitney is not the maker, but a marketer of some one else's Birmingham production. I've never heard of at percussion gun that wasn't Twist construction.

(Percussion SxS guns are a lot of fun.)

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#282811 - 06/27/12 08:33 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
Lorne Offline
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That would be, "an original percussion gun."

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#282902 - 06/28/12 03:18 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: Lorne]
GlobalKooler Offline
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Images added. I can take higher resolution close ups of those markings if necessary.


Appears this is an F not a T so it would be Fine Laminated not Time Laminated.













Image appears to be the EL for Liège.





Edited by GlobalKooler (07/02/12 01:45 PM)
Edit Reason: Add photos

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#282938 - 06/28/12 08:06 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
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Nice looking gun, I'm having trouble with the proofs, here's what I found:
Crown over V is a London black powder proof mark
Crown over R is a London black powder reproof mark
19.4 would be a Belgium bore size between 10 and 11 gauge
Unknown mark looks Belgium
Are the inside of the barrels any good, I usuall drop a really thin flashlight (size AAA battery) down the barrel to check it out. If you do that let it slide down at an angle so as not to break the flashlight. Have you been shooting it or are you planning to? They're fun to shoot and very satisfying to hunt with.
Steve


Edited by Rockdoc (06/28/12 08:07 PM)
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#283418 - 07/01/12 07:09 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: Rockdoc]
GlobalKooler Offline
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Rib is marked "Time Laminated Steel Twist" Bores measure .775" at the muzzle which = 10 ga., right?. Bores are dark with some light surface corrosion/pitting. Running a cleaning patch down the bores comes out light brown - rust color.

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#283420 - 07/01/12 07:39 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
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Check out http://doublegunshop.com/info.htm on this site, as it's titled, it has all sorts of useful information. Your not getting much action on this post. If you can get better pictures of the proofs I'll lookup what I can find. That unknown proof looks very familiar, I'm thinking Belgium, but then apparently it has British proofs too. It may be the barels were sourced from Belgium. "Time Laminated Steel Twist" is just their marketing guys stating the obvious. BTW measure both barrels, it's quite common to have two different gauge barrels on the same gun.
Steve
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#283425 - 07/01/12 07:52 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
Drew Hause Offline
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The 'unknown' mark is the Belgian Provisional Proof and the other crown overs are inspector's marks. It's likely 'Fine', not 'Time' and as said probably a tradename gun. There are Whitney Hardwares in the NE



Edited by Drew Hause (07/01/12 07:58 PM)
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#283427 - 07/01/12 07:58 PM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
skeettx Online   content
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Look here

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/archives/Proofmarks.pdf

I can not see the proof marks well but compare your rams horns to the French provisional proof. Paris House

EDIT! Sorry Drew, I did not see your post and defer to your opinion grin

Mike


Edited by skeettx (07/01/12 08:01 PM)
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#283444 - 07/02/12 08:03 AM Re: Whitney Double Barrel Percussion Shotgun [Re: GlobalKooler]
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Drew is spot on with the 'unknown' mark; that is the Belgian Liege Proof House Provisional mark. The Crown over 'R' mark is the Belgian rifled arms mark. If it no longer has any form of rifleing then it did once. Lagopus.....

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