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Thanks Peter. The pattern welded tube naming convention is most perplexing and seems to evolve over time.

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Raimey
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Schovering, Daly & Gales $1000 U.S. of A. offering.

Info suggests that in 1907 the $1000 U.S. of A. or 4200 Mark double arrived on the scene. The 12 bore had 81cm heavily choked tubes of 3 Ringe Krupp Weapons Grade Steel and weighed 3.460 kg. It was stated that the intercepting scear, Sicherheitsfangstangen?, is that of Sauer as well that Schoverling, Daly & Gales was sourcing Sauer for these examples, which rivaled or exceeded anything peddled on the planet, touting that the German craftsmanship equaled that of any other mechanic.

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Raimey
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Schoverling, Daly & Gales adverts from 1905/1906 Recreation publication pushing Sauer's wares. Schoverling & Daly both have passed but the future looks bright as H.A. Lindner makes an expansion while his son Ernst Lindner(July 6th 1883 - June 16th 1915) should be wrapping up his efforts on his master gunsmith endeavour. But this Pullman sporting weapons train would be come to a screeching halt in 10 short years.






I think Daly's Combined Shot and Rifle examples to be few and far between?


Not the tube diameters are given.


My memory could have failed me but I don't recall seeing many hammerless Daly 3 Barrel sporting weapons?


But one could purchase an American version from the Three Barrel Gun Company for $65+.

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Raimey
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Like I stated above, I can't recall seeing a Charles Daly hammerless 3 barrel gun nor it being a catalogue offering till 1907? Info suggests that it was offered in 1900(as early as 1892??) with Models 107 & 108. I don't see a cocking lever like the Sauer models so it is a boxlock?





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Raimey
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Several pages back I posted that Wiebusch & Hilger were sole agents for Sauer in 1892 while they were located at 84 & 86 Chambers Street, the same location of Shoverling, Daly & Gales in 1887. So it would appear that Schoverling, Daly & Gales moved to 302 Broadway in 1888 or very early 1889. Wiebusch & Hilger were importers and I wonder if they played a part or were under the large Schoverling, Daly & Gales umbrella???


1887 Schoverling, Daly & Gales advert at 84 & 86 Chambers Street noting the Charles Daly Hammerless as well as the Manhattan


1892 Wiebusch & Hilger advert at 84 & 86 Chambers Street


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Raimey
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wonderful thread...you guys need to write a book!

Definitely something needs to be penned on SD&G but there are still some holes in the chronology. For those following along, a March 19th notice gives that in April 1898 SD&D temporarily moved from 302 Broadway to 325 Broadway for the construction of a new facility at 302 Broadway. Then next year Charles Daly expires and the heirs and assigns regroup by incorporating and there was some controversy surrounding that.



Then bio info appears on T.W. Stake and his involvement.


T.W. Stake listing with 1900 bio info.

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Raimey
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Ah, ha - from page 15 I found the info I had forgotten:

"In 1868 Friedrich Wiebusch was listed as a silent or special partner and he expired in 1893, 2 years after August Schoverling. I'm fairly confident that Friedrich Wiebusch was founding partner in Wiebusch & Hilger(Hilger & Co. founded in 1848??) which arrived on the scene around 1876 and continued till say 1928. After Friedrich Wiebusch expired, Charles Frederick Wiebusch, William S. Hilger & M. Taussig were at the helm and were mainly blade peddlers. In 1892, about the time they were listed as the sole Sauer agents, they were in a tiff with the U.S. of A. over bowie knives, which they considered to be sidearms but the government didn't see it that way & they lost. The seem to have drug in some Belgian arms also and all appears to have left port at Antwerp."

So, I really need to sort thru the chaff and condense the clutter.

Even if SD&G were founded earlier than 1865, the War of Northern Aggression was in full swing so they could have been peddling but few would have know about it.


Recreation 1905 advert
Interesting to see the founding date of the Suhl factory.




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Raimey
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Jumping forward a bit to 1914 and cross referencing a Sauer triggerplate thread:
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=283246#Post283246


July 1914 Advert for New Sauer Model 0

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Raimey
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1914 Advert which seems to give similar weight to the Sauer as well as the Daly gun.


I think this is a 1911 advert but from the early 1900s to WWI S,D&G sales must have increased so that H.A. Lindner couldn't keep pace and Charles Daly turned to Sauer to fill the void. By the start of WWI, it is said that there were no less than 300 hammerless scatterguns & bolt guns(I assume some were Dalys or Daly guns but who knows) on hand to handle and drool over. So it is very possible that S,D&G were looking for a lower priced hammerless Sauer gun and set the wheels in motion for the Sauer No. 0 but acquiring parts kits from Liege and then peddling the final product and that is how the odd Sauer triggerplate actions landed on these shores. Anyone know of a copy of their 300 +/- page catalogue?

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Raimey
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