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A kind collector in Sweden made me aware of a W. Eblen Stuttgart Blitz action Vierling at Steve Barnett's:
http://www.stevebarnettfineguns.com/frm_inventory1.htm (select the Drilling/Combo tab then 12682)










Baumgarten, you need to add this one to your W. Eblen collection so we can have a gander at the marks.


Schienendrilling/Waldl�ufer/Woods Loafer/Off Season Drilling

with Schienen noting top rib. Axel informed us that early on that the term Schienendrilling was a trademark of E. Schmidt & Habermann as well as the W. Eblen/Stremple 7x75R von Hofe SE:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post234235

A sourcing relationship may have existed between an Eblen & one of the Jung craftsmen of Zella-Mehlis. Or it may be that there was a Waffen Jung operated by Paul Jung & S�hne in Stuttgart since 1854 with W. Eblen possibly sourcing back to Suhl or Zella-Mehlis via a Jung to Jung connection.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,

Thank you for your thoughts on Eblen's sourcing, interesting stuff.

I've already checked out Mr. Barnett's Eblen vierling and there is something about the stock that doesn't look right to me. With that at $17,500.00 he likes it way better than I do. You'll note he has an interesting drilling in his offerings as well, even pricier than the vierling:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/ANTON-S...un_id=100243687

Regards,

Buchseman

That's the slickest Vierling I've ever seen....not that I've seen many. Thanks for posting that Raimey!

And with Axle's input of the Robert Eblen sourcing of Edgar Strempel, it just may be that in the late 1920s, or by at least 1930, post WWI the next truly exceptional mechanic with an eye for quality like H. Scherping, H.A. Lindner, etc. is in fact Edgar Stremple. Info in quite elusive for the moment but it would seem he cottons to the side frame reinforcement and post WWII must have had a stash of Simson components, with which he was able thru B�Hag( sales co-op B�chsenmacher Handels Gesellschaft) was able to offer upper rung offerings. Seems he was active till 1970 or the mid 1970s and was sourced by Heinrich M�nch of Aachen at some point. I'll have to closely smoke over Heinrich M�nch's examples for similarities.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Is the bronzed color of the action just leftover case colors, or is it one of the bronze action bodies?

I was hoping someone had an answer. Maybe gold wash?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

An A.(August?) Seeber with Novotny on the scope. Similar configuration but different selector.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The chamber walls are sure bare minimum between the shotgun and the small bore. Very lovely piece.

An interesting DR in 9.3x74 1/2R, possibly made, but peddled by Eduard Kettner Suhl with the tradename Marke Rhenus on one of the tubes topped by an Oigee Luxor 4x. "Marke Rhenus" was a tradename of Eduard Kettner and he advertises in 1908/1909 as being his new mark of quality. Protection for the term Marke Rhenus may have been sought in 1908/1909 if not earlier. Odd that it doesn't have any cocking indicators that I can tell.






Most interesting are the initials E.S. over W.K. If, if the initials E.S. belong to Edgar Strempel Suhl, it makes one speculate a dual effort by E.S. & W.K. sourced from the same shop. And with that could Edgar Strempel been an employee of Wilhelm Kelber concern. Paul Schlegelmilch & Franz Sch�ler were employees but I haven't previously seen any indication that Edgar Strempel passed thru the shop. Post WWII, Edgar Strempel was a gunsmith's gunsmith and was considered one of the best, if not the best, in his time. The April 1926 proof date may be one of the earliest examples with the initials E.S., if they are indeed for Edgar Strempel. A wild guess that he was born circa 1900/1901 and would have been a master by the mid 1920s. Sketchy info suggests he was active to the mid 1960s and from the mid-late 1960s a son-in-law by the name of Klaus Mehner who continued the business using the trademark StreSu(Franz Strempel Suhl?) till 1975, or thereabouts. Of course there are other options for E.S. and some stamps were script and some had an odd S.


These tube marks have plagued me for a time and I wonder if it is an intertwined RK, possibly for Rudolf Kelber but I am very unsure if Rudolf Kelber contributed any effort other than management?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

1892 Eduard Kettner Advert

Difficult to tell, but I don't see the trademark "Marke Rhenus" in this 1892 advert.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse